The dreaded windshield rock chip/ crack

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justanotherdrunk

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It would fit inside the diameter of a dime.

I'll call one of those mobile, epoxy repair services.

Used one years ago with good luck.

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I have used the rock chip repair services pretty reliably, they do work very well.

The one thing I will say is do not go through your insurance! I'm currently quoting switching companies and Amica and Liberty Mutual "will not insure me" because I had a $60 claim payout on a car (for a Safelite windshield chip repair) two years ago!
 
Two weeks of ownership and I already have the honor of being initiated in to this august club! Hopefully additional or annual dues are not required.
 
Don't delay in getting it repaired...while the chassis on the i3 is pretty stiff, a good bump and the crack can grow substantially once it has started.
 
And be aware if they don't tell you that the process of forcing the resin into the crack under pressure can break the windscreen anyway. I got my first hit from a stone last week. Luckily it didn't crack but it has left a mark :evil:
 
Gif said:
And be aware if they don't tell you that the process of forcing the resin into the crack under pressure can break the windscreen anyway. I got my first hit from a stone last week. Luckily it didn't crack but it has left a mark :evil:

They didn't tell me that! I got it fixed a few days ago without incident though.
 
The process I've seen them use is to place a suitably sized short section of pipe on the glass to contain the resin over the crack.

A small mechanical screw press is then attached to the windscreen with suction clamps.

Resin is inserted into the pipe and the press is used to pressurise the resin this forcing it into the crack.

The equipment is then removed and when set, the surface is flatted off.

The pressure from the press can cause the crack to expand and / or the glass to blow completely. It depends on how weak the crack has made the screen.
 
Out of curiosity, is the i3's windshield on cars delivered in the UK tempered glass, or laminated? In the USA, it must be laminated, but I've read at least some vehicles come with tempered glass windshields elsewhere. As a result, a windshield in the USA tends to crack, a tempered one tends to shatter.
 
Gif said:
The process I've seen them use is to place a suitably sized short section of pipe on the glass to contain the resin over the crack.

A small mechanical screw press is then attached to the windscreen with suction clamps.

Resin is inserted into the pipe and the press is used to pressurise the resin this forcing it into the crack.

The equipment is then removed and when set, the surface is flatted off.

The pressure from the press can cause the crack to expand and / or the glass to blow completely. It depends on how weak the crack has made the screen.

The process I have seen looks the same as described, but the "pipe" first draws a vacuum from the cracked glass under it, before allowing that vacuum to draw in the resin. The air must be removed as much as possible before the resin can go in. I don't believe the resin could be forced in under pressure as described, as it would be forced back out by the same air trapped and pressurized under it.
 
Agreed, sorry I forgot that bit. The point described to me was that the pressure exerted from above still had the ability to increase the crack.

As regards laminate versus tempered, I've had three screens go on BMWs recently (I don't know, I've not had a screen go in 35 years of driving then three go at once!).

3 different models, one bullseyed and the other two cracked as a result of impacts. All looked laminated as I doubt tempered could have sustained that damage without shattering completely.

Doesn't mean the i3 is the same of course but I can't see why it should be different.
 
All, Please help.
My new leased car in USA developed this chip.

Looks like at this point I will try to get it repaired first , before considering the replacement.
I do have insurance

The bigger worry is , as with other EV's its leased. Will I be panelized for this at the end ?
What can be the best course of action ?
Still have 2 more years on my lease
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If it can be successfully repaired, you shouldn't have an issue, but you'd have to read the fine print in your lease agreement to be sure. Most insurance policies will pay for glass repair in full. Usually, you end up paying at least a deductible if you must get the thing replaced. Because of the CFRP, not every glass shop understands how to replace a windshield on an i3 without damaging the structure, so be careful!
 
safelite says they can fix the Bmw i3 , at least in the Bay area.
They have experience . apparently the roof needs to be removed.....
 
EVMan said:
safelite says they can fix the Bmw i3 , at least in the Bay area.
They have experience . apparently the roof needs to be removed.....
:!: :!: If they think the roof needs to be removed, they have no experience and should be avoided like the plague.
 
Have just joined the forum and the first post I see is one that I have specialist knowledge so I thought I would give something to the forum first.

Altough I am in the UK many of the things apply equally to the USA. Generally speaking all the pictures shown are repairable damage to a competent windscreen (windshield) repairer but the cost of fitting glass to cars is so expensive ( UK BMW dealers charge about £900 for a replacement of which £600 is labour ) that extreme commercial pressure and tried and tested industry tricks are used to gain this lucrative revenue by international players in an unregulated an unethical industry with sales volume driven through the insurance industry.

Most people with screen damage will turn to their insurer to solve glass problems and insurers now outsource this function to the big glass companies who will handle the calls and answer the phone in the name of the insurer so any advice given is highly biased and often misleading and designed to maximise revenue for the glass companies. We now have a situation in the industry where the Cookie Monster is in charge of the cookie jar! Companies like Safelite dominate the market place but they will manage the incoming enquiry to maximise replacements by putting many fictitious barriers in the way of actually doing a repair for example telling customers that many types of damage can't be repaired due to chip type, size and position on the screen when they actually can. For example the chip picture posted by EVMAN would be refused because " it's too close to the edge"'which is obviously nonsense. It should be able to be repaired and not be noticed by any inspector from a lease company on hand back. ( We do this all the time)

Increasingly due to bigger excesses ( deductibles ) and poor quality repairs and the trick of making windscreen damage push up future premiums by the insurers, customers are looking outside the nominated suppliers to get this problem solved. THIS IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT ON THE BMW i3 because of the carbon fibre body that can be sliced through in seconds by the "cheese wire" or oscillating knife tool normally used to cut out glass from the body of normal cars. This is such a risk that BMW have developed a glass removal system that uses a nylon type cord instead of the metal type to reduce the risk. Be under no illusion if an untrained windscreen fitter from an insurer tries to fit glass in a BMW i3 and slices through the bodywork IT WILL WRITE OFF YOUR CAR! However because any damage if this type is hidden by the glass they can just squirt some extra glue in it and you will be none the wiser :eek: YOU ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO GET AN ORIGINAL MANUFACTURERS SCREEN EITHER, in order to maximise profits the glass companies make their own screens or import fake parts from abroad.

On a steel bodied car this just scratches the aperture and it eventually rusts after the original owner gets rid of the car but on the CFRP this damage could go unnoticed and have structural implications affecting impact absorption, roll over strength, airbag deployment and chassis stiffness as the screen is used as a structural member of the vehicle chassis in modern cars. Modern windscscreens are all laminated now despite side glasses being toughened ( answer to question posed by poster Gif ) and it is true to say that the pressure exerted by the repair system used by most insurer nominated suppliers WILL cause it to crack BECAUSE ITS DESIGNED THAT WAY! They will even get you to sign a disclaimer before working on your car so you have no come back if it "accidentally cracks" ! So beware of that cute little scam also. A professional repairer will do about half a dozen repairs a day and crack about one a year! Less than 0.07 % failure rate.

So my advice would be to be NOT TO GO THROUGH INSURANCE but instead seek out an experienced specialist repair company ( Not a replacement company and not a supermarket car park trawler ) who regularly does prestige vehicles. In the US Novus are respected ( as the inventors of the repair process ) as are Glas Weld and Ultra Bond.

You are welcome to PM me for advice regarding any aspect of screen damage or the subjects raised here. As a new poster I can't yet post pictures or vids but ironically my I3 will shortly need a new screen and so I will share my experience ...
 
Well, because the BMW is smarter than the glass installers, they made an aluminum frame that is glued to the CF tub and the windshield is glued to the frame. Also there are no aftermarket i3 windshields available yet, and the price of the original is pretty decent.
 
Bawareca said:
Well, because the BMW is smarter than the glass installers, they made an aluminum frame that is glued to the CF tub and the windshield is glued to the frame.
Your description of an i3 windshield repair doesn't agree with section 3.4 of BMW's I01 Technical Training manual:

"The new windshield is then reglued and positioned by the centering pins. In doing so, particular attention must be paid to the different materials to which the windscreen is attached. In the lower section, the windscreen is glued to the steel cowl panel. At the sides, the window glass is glued to plastic strips that are permanently connected to the body structure. The top mounting is at the carbon roof outer panels in vehicles without slide/tilt sunroof, or at the plastic rigid frame of the slide/tilt sunroof in vehicles"

There is no mention of an aluminum frame.
 
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