sandalwood
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REx in front of the cooling towers of a nuclear power plant

Wed Dec 09, 2015 12:04 pm

Took my new REx on its first long journey yesterday. I wasn't sure where I was going when I put the address in my GPS (work-related trip), but the destination turned out to be a power plant. I figured a photo in front of the cooling towers would be appropriate. The total trip: 132 miles.

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websterize
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Re: REx in front of the cooling towers of a nuclear power pl

Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:20 pm

Here's my ’trooper, in front of its power plant, on last year's winter solstice. Lots of fusion-powered i3s out there.

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eneka
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Re: REx in front of the cooling towers of a nuclear power pl

Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:11 pm

wow that's a lot of solar panels! Thought about installing some too but my roof isn't that great for them :/
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Kiwi
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Re: REx in front of the cooling towers of a nuclear power pl

Fri Jan 29, 2016 8:02 pm

eneka wrote:wow that's a lot of solar panels! Thought about installing some too but my roof isn't that great for them :/


Now just try and do any maintenance on the roof. I'll never have panels just a wind turbine once good turbines come available. It's still a lot cheaper to stay connected to the power once you add up the cost of roof maintenance of the existing roof and the replacement of panels.

I33t
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Re: REx in front of the cooling towers of a nuclear power pl

Fri Jan 29, 2016 9:55 pm

Not sure about problems with maintenance of the roof with solar panels?

We have had 52 panels on the roof since 2011. Pumped over 65Mwh since install. Way more than our consumption over that period. Zero issues. The panels actually protect the roof, and if you need to get to the roof under the panels (unlikely) they are easily removable.

It's still a lot cheaper to stay connected to the power once you add up the cost of roof maintenance of the existing roof and the replacement of panels.


Roof maintenance would be independent of solar panels. If it needs maintenance it is unlikely to be due to the solar panels. On a tile roof, maybe the ridge capping might need a spruce up every 15 years or so. As for the panels themselves, they're good for 20 years or more (ours have a 25 year/80% output warranty). With improvements in tech, it's possible they will be replaced sooner to substantially increase output.

As for cheaper, no. We are financially well ahead already, and the cost of the panels has been paid back by credits from the electricity utilities. Going completely off-grid is a lot more expensive, but will still pay back over a longer time span.

Waiting for 'good turbines' ?

Sounds like delay tactics. Best thing to do is to install as soon as feasible, not wait for the next big thing as there will always be something even better on the horizon.
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Kiwi
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Re: REx in front of the cooling towers of a nuclear power pl

Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:13 am

I live in a county with no subsides on nothing. If you want an i3 then buy one but you will not get a subsidy. This goes for solar panels and we all like it this way as we get a true understanding what the cost is. No company should run a business and make money out of tax payer subsidies. If only America would wake up to this and pay a true cost. We have 80% renewable power generation and climbing and we don't use oil at all to generate powder.

Not even our exports are subsidised so if you see a New Zealand made product it is a true cost. The farmer or manufacture has had no subsides at all. We have a law about dumping products in our country at a cheap price and it is not allowed.

This is why I say connected power is still the cheapest and petrol cars are cheaper than battery even though we pay $4.60us a gallon which includes a $1.72us tax on petrol. This tax pays for all our roads new and old. An i3 costs $53,000us on the road ready to drive.




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I33t
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Re: REx in front of the cooling towers of a nuclear power pl

Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:00 am

Sure, NZ has excellent renewable power and uses hardly any oil. But the main non-renewables are Coal and Gas. 2013 figures (wikipedia, please correct if you can) show 24.79% fossil fuel production of electricity.

Solar power:
wikipedia wrote:Although there are no subsidies, the declining costs of photovoltaics has caused a large increase in demand over the last few years. In 2009, the average turnkey price for a standard PV system of three kilowatts (kW) was about NZ$40,000, and has since dropped by 75 percent to NZ$10,000 (US$7,800 or US$2.60/W).[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_pow ... ew_Zealand

Low cost of photovoltaics and the high price of electricity is driving demand for PV in NZ. 2015 electricity pricing was 28.86C/kWh
http://www.mbie.govt.nz/info-services/s ... prices.pdf

So for the average consumer, with or without an EV, there is a benefit for installing PV without subsidies, just as there currently is in Australia. The difference is that Australia introduced subsidies to kick start the industry and they were subsequently dropped. The solar industry is still here without subsidies and is looking at growth. Battery storage is boosting that demand, giving the consumer the ability to time shift consumption saving cost of power when the family is at home.

Bottom line is there is an economic benefit for PV to the consumer and an added advantage of reducing fossil fuel consumption if the consumer cares in that regard.

No subsidies on electric vehicles here either...
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Kiwi
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Re: REx in front of the cooling towers of a nuclear power pl

Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:00 pm

My power is 16.5 C/kWh. Gas and Coal is correct but only 20% in 2015 and coal finishes this year. We are second in the world to Iceland for renewable power. I understand America is between 6%-8% renewable which is terrible. I don't understand why America does not use thermal as Yellowstone has heaps of it as well a lot of other areas in America.

I live in New Zealand not Australia which is totally different than New Zealand and is 3 hours away by air.

I33t
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Re: REx in front of the cooling towers of a nuclear power pl

Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:17 pm

Kiwi wrote:My power is 16.5 C/kWh.


Sure, does that include the line fees of 11.9c/kWh?

I think most people are aware that NZ is not part of Australia.
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Kiwi
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Re: REx in front of the cooling towers of a nuclear power pl

Sun Jan 31, 2016 5:32 pm

I33t wrote:
Kiwi wrote:My power is 16.5 C/kWh.


Sure, does that include the line fees of 11.9c/kWh?

I think most people are aware that NZ is not part of Australia.
why bring it up then

$1.64nz per day which you have to pay if your connected.

Where do you get 11.9c as its nothing to do with NZ

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