nitramluap
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Re: AC Charger Inlet Types - swappable?

Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:47 am

alohart wrote:Those U.S. i3 owners who have had to replace their charging ports due to damage have been shocked by the cost of plastic.


Well, it's going to cost around $300 so hardly an issue... and quite possibly free for owners still in warranty (which is three years - is would cover almost all i3s in Australia).

And again, if you don't need DC fast charging and you only charge with your own AC EVSE at home, you can leave it as is.

I'll change the plug on my home EVSE to a Type 2 plug. Costs $50.

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Re: AC Charger Inlet Types - swappable?

Fri Aug 04, 2017 4:34 am

I33t wrote:Basically, any electric vehicle from the past, present and future can charge on this highway.


Is that a fact? From what I can see, no European EV with a Type 2 plug will be able to DC fast charge in the very near future as the standard is changing... and so will the charge ports on the car.


The WA electric highway already exists, and it operates for current and existing EV's in that region.

Absolutely, if the connections change, then so will the evse connections.

The Queensland system already does not support all current EVs, even the one you already have. The WA system supports the current EV's actually on the road. It has three high rate connectors plus the lower speed charging system for the existing market.
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Re: AC Charger Inlet Types - swappable?

Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:31 am

nitramluap wrote:I never thought EV owners would be so parochial. Ironic.


I'm not parochial, and not talking about our current location but viewing the current options around Australia.

WA electric highway is already in operation embraces all EV owners, but the upcoming Qld highway is expected yet to be commenced in 6 months and not support all current EV's. Now that's ironic.

Good luck for your type 2 upgrade, hope it all works out for you.
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nitramluap
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Re: AC Charger Inlet Types - swappable?

Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:53 pm

I33t wrote:
nitramluap wrote:I never thought EV owners would be so parochial. Ironic.


I'm not parochial, and not talking about our current location but viewing the current options around Australia.

WA electric highway is already in operation embraces all EV owners, but the upcoming Qld highway is expected yet to be commenced in 6 months and not support all current EV's. Now that's ironic.

Good luck for your type 2 upgrade, hope it all works out for you.


Given that there really are hardly any EVs in this country, and few owned by 'normal people', the changeover going to have a very small impact. They're doing it in New Zealand and nobody is crying.

Far more important will be the infrastructure in place for people buying new vehicles when they only come with Type 2 based charging ports - my guess is that this will be from MY2018 or thereabouts. Just watch how quickly the Type 1 based charge plugs disappear from charge stations.

And again, anything less than DC 50kW - the absolute minimum required for the average punter to be even vaguely interested in an EV - is a waste of time for a 'Superhighway' charging network. Leave the low power EVSE stuff to shops, businesses and hotels where you want to spend more than 20 minutes.

Looking forward to the small crowd of whingers. I expect it won't even make the news. New owners will be wondering what all the fuss was about. I'll get my popcorn. Over and out.

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Re: AC Charger Inlet Types - swappable?

Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:16 pm

Long time lurker here, I'll throw my 2 cents in. I believe BMW would be pushing this change to happen as well. If you look at how many Tesla destination chargers are out there that will become accessible to vehicles with type 2 charging. At the moment Tesla have a great competitive edge on all other EV's in Australia due to their charge network. Type 2 charging is what any other EV auto maker here in Oz would want to negate the Tesla destination charger advantage.

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Re: AC Charger Inlet Types - swappable?

Thu Jan 11, 2018 3:40 pm

I was wondering if anyone ever had their inlet swapped? is it just Plug and Play?

I am trying to import a BMW i3 from USA to Europe (Denmark) and have tried to get an answer from a Danish BMW dealer. They don't seem to know for sure. They just say its not possible and the software is also different from US to EU version, so a lot of trouble would probably come at the future service centre...

I just don't really buy that conclusion. Why would BMW make a plug thats not replaceable. Its the same protocol for CCS Combo 1 and CCS Combo 2..

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Re: AC Charger Inlet Types - swappable?

Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:24 pm

ReZe wrote:I was wondering if anyone ever had their inlet swapped? is it just Plug and Play?

I am trying to import a BMW i3 from USA to Europe (Denmark) and have tried to get an answer from a Danish BMW dealer. They don't seem to know for sure. They just say its not possible and the software is also different from US to EU version, so a lot of trouble would probably come at the future service centre...

I just don't really buy that conclusion. Why would BMW make a plug thats not replaceable. Its the same protocol for CCS Combo 1 and CCS Combo 2..


They are absolutely swappable... but most dealers are lazy and couldn't be bothered so they'll give you the 'It can't be done' as an excuse.

BMW New Zealand gave existing owners the option to swap their charge ports (including the CCS if they had it) from Type 1 to Type 2 when NZ officially went with the Type 2 plug standard and as far as I'm aware, it was a smooth process. Not sure about the cost.

I guess we need input from any NZ i3 owners who went through this process. Theoretically it's just a matter of swapping a few parts and, in the case of the 2017 i3 and newer, also connecting the second & third phases into the AC Type 2 port (thus allowing 11kW of three phase AC, instead of just 7.4kW single phase). It will require removing the rear quarter panel and other bits and pieces and probably a software tweak, but it should be an easy job. All communication protocols are identical.

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Re: AC Charger Inlet Types - swappable?

Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:17 pm

nitramluap wrote:
ReZe wrote:Theoretically it's just a matter of swapping a few parts and, in the case of the 2017 i3 and newer, also connecting the second & third phases into the AC Type 2 port (thus allowing 11kW of three phase AC, instead of just 7.4kW single phase). It will require removing the rear quarter panel and other bits and pieces and probably a software tweak, but it should be an easy job. All communication protocols are identical.


I hope the 2017 cars can be charged at 11kw by connecting the second and third phase on the existing charger... Is anyone from New Zealand with a 2017 that can confirm this? If so, I'll start chirping at my BMW in Oz to have the port changed right away :)

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Re: AC Charger Inlet Types - swappable? | CCS2 to CCS1 DC charge adapter?

Sun May 20, 2018 6:00 pm

I drive a 2015 BMW i3 fully electric. I stopped at the new Coolangatta EV charging station that is part of the new Queensland Electric Super Highway operated by DTMR and Yurika:
https://www.qld.gov.au/transport/projects/electricvehicles/super-highway

It seems previous posters are right in suggesting that CCS Type 2 is now the Australian standard, and thus I cannot use any of the new Queensland EV superhighway fast charging stations with my BMW i3 (unless I use my Type 2 Mennekes to Type 1 J1772 AC cable for a slow AC charge from the adjacent Schneider electric charge box). The CCS2 DC plug I’m trying to connect with is shown in this photo I took at the EV station Coolangatta, QLD:
Image

I paid extra at the time I purchased my 2015 BMW i3 to have the DC fast charging option, but mine uses what’s called a CCS1 based on the J1772 plug. I contacted the BMW Australia Genius team, and received a quote from Brisbane BMW for a Type 1 to Type 2 retrofit conversion on 27 April 2018:
  • AU$ 3,131.00 for RETROFITTING OF TYPE 2 ELECTRIC CHARGE EQUIPMENT AND PROGRAMMING OF VEHICLE AS REQUIRED
  • AU$ 2,090.00 for SUPPLY OF WALLBOX PLUS HOME CHARGING UNIT (DOES NOT INCLUDE INSTALLATION)

Questions:
1. There were previous comments about BMW New Zealand offering this under warranty and/or for a small free of NZ$ 300 – can anyone confirm this is true?

2. I cannot find any official information from BMW Australia, and they have not responded directly, but just forwarded this to the Brisbane BMW dealership. Has anyone been able to receive official word from BMW Australia HQ?

3. I have been looking into buying a CCS2 to CCS1 DC adapter cable, so I can continue to use Type 1 and Type 2 AC and DC charging stations, but those adapteres are rare. The only one I found is US$1,800 from China on alibaba:
Product model: SET-S3-S4
http://www.setec-power.com/china/ccs2-to-ccs1-adapter
A PlugShare user kindly told me that they bought this cable, and also had to pay customs / import tax on top. Further, there is an issue that the adapter may not be used when it rains.

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