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Re: Doug DeMouro reviews the i3 Rex

Fri May 04, 2018 9:22 am

graememwl wrote:Next up, Doug reviews a BMW 320i and compares it to the Nissan Altima and Honda Accord. Decides that since the BMW get worse gas mileage and charges extra for options that are standard in the Nissan and Honda, that BMW is missing the mark and charging too much.

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Wait, so the Honda is faster, cheaper, better gas mileage, bigger, safer, better equipped, but you think the BMW is a better buy?

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Re: Doug DeMouro reviews the i3 Rex

Sat May 05, 2018 1:52 am

  • egg shaped - 1st error (anti-Prius bias showing)
  • $62,000 nobody is paying - 2nd error as it does not match demo car, model year
  • worst depreciation - Fisker
  • what year? - Ekectronaut is 2014??
  • complicated wiper stalk - the pulse operated stalk is mechanically simpler
  • disable button icon - why not?
  • grabbing door to close - who cares as long as it doesn't break and closes the door
  • defeated by removable cup holder - guess the manual is too hard to read
  • no backup camera - again, he is reviewing an older model than mine
  • top heavy - BS! He never tried a cloverleaf with a tailgater
  • compared to Model 3 - which took 3 years to come out after 2014
  • plug-in hybrid range - wins against any BEV for 1,000 miles

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Re: Doug DeMouro reviews the i3 Rex

Mon May 07, 2018 7:36 am

viking79 wrote:
graememwl wrote:Next up, Doug reviews a BMW 320i and compares it to the Nissan Altima and Honda Accord. Decides that since the BMW get worse gas mileage and charges extra for options that are standard in the Nissan and Honda, that BMW is missing the mark and charging too much.

</sarcarsm>


Wait, so the Honda is faster, cheaper, better gas mileage, bigger, safer, better equipped, but you think the BMW is a better buy?


No, what I'm saying is the word "wert" has been removed from all dictionaries in Spartanburg :D
No-one has ever bought a BMW because it's the best value. Why then do people buy BMW's, or Porsches or Mercedes? Value is low on the priority list.
Saying that the i3 is not great value is stating the obvious.

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Re: Doug DeMouro reviews the i3 Rex

Mon May 07, 2018 2:06 pm

Fair enough. The i3 certainly has features that add to the price, my point is only that they would get more buyers at a lower price point. Moreso than with a standard BMW. I think it is hard to find buyers willing to pay more for a compact hatch, even if it is carbon fiber and is made in a more sustainable way. Maybe if they had made a compact sports coup or maybe a more mini SUV like the Mini Countryman they could have sold more. Right now you can tell they have to heavily incentivize it to get the sales they want.

I think it was cool they made the attempt, and doubly cool that it was sold in all states. Not like Hyundai/Kia only selling them in CARB states, etc.

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Re: Doug DeMouro reviews the i3 Rex

Mon May 07, 2018 4:17 pm

IMHO, building the i3 was more than just designing a new car...it was a lead-in to new production techniques, a statement (you may or may not agree with), and is one of the few vehicles available that was a true, clean-sheet exercise to flex some creative muscle. It was never designed for huge numbers if you believe some of the in-depth reviews. The production technique becomes less economical with more than about 50K vehicles/annum and they knew that at the time. But, the knowledge they got in developing the CFRP parts puts them many years ahead of everyone else. after placement of the CFRP, 5-minutes to a cured life module?! Everyone else needs literally a day at least to reach the same condition. As you can see from other, higher-volume models, they didn't use as much CFRP, but it is incorporated into their chassis where it helps in either strength or weight savings, or both.

There are intrinsic benefits to a car like the i3 in that it (should be) very reliable, long-term, nothing to really rust, body panels that are hard to ding up, still one of the most efficient after 4 MY, and, at least for me, is a nearly perfect daily driver. Personally, with my use pattern, I saw no benefit for the REx, but if you understand why it's there, it's a pretty slick serial hybrid vehicle. The car was NOT designed for everyone, as none are...but it does fill a niche, and IMHO, does it well. It would work for lots more people than realize it, too. If you don't have new car envy, depreciation will all even out in the end as the thing should last a very long time with minimal maintenance.
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Re: Doug DeMouro reviews the i3 Rex

Tue May 08, 2018 11:32 am

jadnashuanh wrote:IMHO, building the i3 was more than just designing a new car...it was a lead-in to new production techniques, a statement (you may or may not agree with), and is one of the few vehicles available that was a true, clean-sheet exercise to flex some creative muscle. It was never designed for huge numbers if you believe some of the in-depth reviews. The production technique becomes less economical with more than about 50K vehicles/annum and they knew that at the time. But, the knowledge they got in developing the CFRP parts puts them many years ahead of everyone else. after placement of the CFRP, 5-minutes to a cured life module?! Everyone else needs literally a day at least to reach the same condition. As you can see from other, higher-volume models, they didn't use as much CFRP, but it is incorporated into their chassis where it helps in either strength or weight savings, or both.

There are intrinsic benefits to a car like the i3 in that it (should be) very reliable, long-term, nothing to really rust, body panels that are hard to ding up, still one of the most efficient after 4 MY, and, at least for me, is a nearly perfect daily driver. Personally, with my use pattern, I saw no benefit for the REx, but if you understand why it's there, it's a pretty slick serial hybrid vehicle. The car was NOT designed for everyone, as none are...but it does fill a niche, and IMHO, does it well. It would work for lots more people than realize it, too. If you don't have new car envy, depreciation will all even out in the end as the thing should last a very long time with minimal maintenance.


Very well said. I agree with all your points.

The i3 and i8 were tester cars for BMW to dip their toes in the mass EV market. I think it has been a big success, at least for the i3.

Like you said, it's the perfect daily commuter for me, and my lifestyle.
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Re: Doug DeMouro reviews the i3 Rex

Tue May 08, 2018 11:34 am

bwilson4web wrote:
  • egg shaped - 1st error (anti-Prius bias showing)
  • $62,000 nobody is paying - 2nd error as it does not match demo car, model year
  • worst depreciation - Fisker
  • what year? - Ekectronaut is 2014??
  • complicated wiper stalk - the pulse operated stalk is mechanically simpler
  • disable button icon - why not?
  • grabbing door to close - who cares as long as it doesn't break and closes the door
  • defeated by removable cup holder - guess the manual is too hard to read
  • no backup camera - again, he is reviewing an older model than mine
  • top heavy - BS! He never tried a cloverleaf with a tailgater
  • compared to Model 3 - which took 3 years to come out after 2014
  • plug-in hybrid range - wins against any BEV for 1,000 miles

Bob Wilson


Don't take his reviews so seriously, they are mostly light-hearted and fun.

It's mainly for entertainment rather than information purposes.

Watch his other reviews, you will enjoy them!

:D
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Re: Doug DeMouro reviews the i3 Rex

Tue May 08, 2018 4:59 pm

viking79 wrote:The i3 certainly has features that add to the price, my point is only that they would get more buyers at a lower price point.

Lower price increases demand is a general fact of capitalism, but if the price doesn't cover the development, manufacturing, and sales costs, the manufacturer would eventually fail.

viking79 wrote:I think it is hard to find buyers willing to pay more for a compact hatch, even if it is carbon fiber and is made in a more sustainable way.

I doubt that BMW planned the i3 to be a high-volume seller if for no other reason that making a CFRP passenger compartment takes far more time than making a metal passenger compartment due to the CFRP curing time.

viking79 wrote:Maybe if they had made a compact sports coup or maybe a more mini SUV like the Mini Countryman they could have sold more.

A Mini and x3 EV will be sold soon and will undoubtedly sell in higher numbers due to their lower manufacturing costs. But these vehicles will be considerably heavier and less efficient unless BMW has made significant advances in drive train efficiencies.

viking79 wrote:I think it was cool they made the attempt, and doubly cool that it was sold in all states.

Not only in all states but in many countries. International i3 sales have been relatively good.

Munro and Associates disassembled an i3 and estimated BMW's manufacturing costs and break even sales numbers which have been exceeded already. What BMW learned about strong, lightweight CFRP construction techniques is being applied across all of its vehicle models.
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Re: Doug DeMouro reviews the i3 Rex

Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:53 am

All very nice.... but I used to drive a lexus SC430 (2006 model) and will never go back to it......... reviews.... they should drive one for a month :mrgreen:

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