epirali
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Re: Anyone considering with a lease expiring soon considering the Bolt as an alternative to a 2017 I3?

Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:33 pm

My lease expires in May. I am considering the Bolt but as others have said I am not sure I can deal with cheap interior materials and trips to Chevy dealer. As much as there are things I dislike about the i3 it has a very nice pleasant interior and good dealer network. The ride on the heavier i3 is better, but still way too much lateral roll on small bumps.

And Tesla's model S/X is just not worth it, the range is fine but they are not real luxury vehicles, in fact I'd go as far as saying the i3 interior detail is way closer to that.

So it's either another i3 lease with longer range version, or Bolt. I have a deposit on Tesla model 3 but I'm not holding my breath. I wish Nissan had their act together and had a 200 mile Leaf. But right now it seems for longer range the Bolt is the only option worth the dollars.

Sigh...

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Re: Anyone considering with a lease expiring soon considering the Bolt as an alternative to a 2017 I3?

Mon Dec 19, 2016 3:49 am

Have you considered the Hyundai Ioniq?
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CGameProgrammer
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Re: Anyone considering with a lease expiring soon considering the Bolt as an alternative to a 2017 I3?

Mon Dec 19, 2016 4:07 pm

I think the regular hybrid Ioniq has been out in Europe for a little while and you can see YouTube video reviews, but the electric and plug-in versions aren't yet released and may not be for some time. Also a local dealer told me Hyundai would start by trickling them out the first year and then ramping up production. More importantly, some details of the EV have been released and it has a 28 kW-h battery EPA-rated for 124 miles which is not stellar.

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Re: Anyone considering with a lease expiring soon considering the Bolt as an alternative to a 2017 I3?

Mon Dec 19, 2016 7:55 pm

Autocar published a comparison between the latest BMW i3, VW e-Golf, Hyundai Ioniq Electric, and Nissan Leaf last month. The cars finished in that order.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-c ... group-test

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Re: Anyone considering with a lease expiring soon considering the Bolt as an alternative to a 2017 I3?

Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:24 am

Just to clarify specifications, the Bolt has a curb weight of a bit over 3,500 lbs. I've taken a 60Ah BEV i3 to the scales and it weighs, empty, under 2900 lbs.

So a BEV i3 is 600 lbs. lighter.

That said, body roll in the i3 is a not-insignificant problem. A rear anti-sway bar would have been a good idea on BMW's part, but upgrading springs to a stiffer rate makes for a significant improvement in the way the car drives.

CGameProgrammer
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Re: Anyone considering with a lease expiring soon considering the Bolt as an alternative to a 2017 I3?

Sat Dec 24, 2016 10:19 am

Friction, the reason the 60Ah i3 is lighter is that its battery is 1/3 the size. It has only a 22 kW-h battery whereas the Bolt has a 60 kW-h battery, and the battery pack adds a lot of weight because it's huge.

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Re: Anyone considering with a lease expiring soon considering the Bolt as an alternative to a 2017 I3?

Sun Dec 25, 2016 12:34 pm

CGameProgrammer wrote:Friction, the reason the 60Ah i3 is lighter is that its battery is 1/3 the size. It has only a 22 kW-h battery whereas the Bolt has a 60 kW-h battery, and the battery pack adds a lot of weight because it's huge.

That's correct. The Bolt battery pack weight 960 lbs, so a very rough guesstimate of the additional weight is 500-600 lbs. So it really isn't fair to suggest it's porky...it has a much bigger battery. The additional weight is well used.

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Re: Anyone considering with a lease expiring soon considering the Bolt as an alternative to a 2017 I3?

Thu Jan 19, 2017 8:15 pm

I've owned one FWD drive car in over four decades of car ownership, and that was plenty. Otherwise I would give the Bolt a hard look.
Mine:
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2016 i3 REX
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Re: Anyone considering with a lease expiring soon considering the Bolt as an alternative to a 2017 I3?

Sat Jan 21, 2017 1:44 am

CG & michaelbmw –

If it came off that I was trying to rag on the Bolt, that wasn't my direct intent. A 200+ mile EV at the Bolt's price point is going to get so many more people into electrics. I don't love the style, but I'm really glad GM built it and I hope it's a big success for them.

What I was ragging on was weight.

Curb weight's a big factor for me and the fact that the i3 (BEV) is under 2900 pounds was really important.

My commutes are usually under 40 miles round-trip and I am happy to trade range for curb weight. That 200-mile Bolt is carrying 300 pounds of batteries that I, for the most part, wont use.

The joy of chucking a lightweight car through a corner is not that easy to come by in a new car these days. To find a sub-3000 pound, rear-wheel drive EV that's as advanced as the i3 hit all the right boxes in what I was looking for.

Now if they would only tighten up the suspension! :D

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Bolt visibility out

Tue May 23, 2017 1:55 am

CGameProgrammer wrote:What is the outward visibility like in the Bolt? I test-drove a Volt (the plug-in hybrid) and liked everything about it except the very narrow windshield which ruins the enjoyment of driving for me. The i3 on the other hand had excellent visibility.
The Bolt is much better in this regard than the Volt. Maybe not quite as good as the i3 though.

But the cameras on the Bolt are really good. When I saw the "bird's-eye view" on the screen, I thought that it was a video feed from a drone. It's that cool.

Then there's the panoramic video rearview mirror display....

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