panamamike
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Re: AC Condenser Protection - A How To

Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:12 am

alohart wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:22 pm
panamamike wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:46 pm
Did you guys cut the wire mesh to be slightly larger than the hole? How did you manage to slip in the the mesh between the grills?
All of this is discussed in the first few posts of this thread with even the mesh dimensions specified.
Yes, there are partial dimensions provided of the width and height of the center section. Upon visual inspection of the photo, it appears the left and right are longer than 6 inches. The photo you linked in your post isn't working, so if that has dimensions, I can't see it.
panamamike wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:46 pm
Can the mesh be slightly bent to avoid hitting the condenser. Wondering if the stainless would bend and leave a crease.
If you've read the instructions in this thread, you'd know that this isn't a problem.
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I wasn't clear if you cut your mesh or if it was cut into sections. I'm sure you were able to get it in there ok, didn't know if you might have suggestions about how to get it in there, yes there is a description provided in an earlier post, but was a description of the aluminum mesh, don't know if this is more or less flexible easy to work with that the mesh.
panamamike wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:46 pm
What's the best thing to attached the mesh? Wondering if the zip ties will stand the test of time given that they are plastic.
So what if the plastic zip ties fail over time? The mesh protector is inside the grill and won't fall off the car if the zip ties fail. The zip ties would be easy to replace from the front of the grill.
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Yes, true, but don't know if the mesh could cause an issue for the condenser if it comes loose.

Mike

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Re: AC Condenser Protection - A How To

Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:41 pm

panamamike wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:12 am
Yes, there are partial dimensions provided of the width and height of the center section. Upon visual inspection of the photo, it appears the left and right are longer than 6 inches.
There's nothing special about the measurements. Just measure the height of the grill opening and the width between the 2 vertical supports behind the grill and between each vertical support and the edges of the grill. Then add ½" or so to the measurements so that there won't be any gaps. There's room behind the grill for slightly larger protective mesh pieces.

Also note that the height of the protective mesh must be greater for REx models because the top grill section is open unlike with BEV's in which the top section is closed off.
panamamike wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:12 am
The photo you linked in your post isn't working, so if that has dimensions, I can't see it.
I was just able to view these Dropbox photos on a laptop, on an ancient iPad, and on an iPhone without logging in to Dropbox, so anyone should be able to view these photos. Dropbox can ask the viewer to create a Dropbox account, but that's unnecessary, so just ignore the request.

When you view the 1st photo, the protective mesh pieces are laid out on 12" x 12" tiles, so their sizes could be estimated quite accurately.
panamamike wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:46 pm
I wasn't clear if you cut your mesh or if it was cut into sections.
I clearly wrote:

"I then cut the woven wire mesh to the sizes of the templates and created the borders."
panamamike wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:46 pm
I'm sure you were able to get it in there ok, didn't know if you might have suggestions about how to get it in there, yes there is a description provided in an earlier post, but was a description of the aluminum mesh, don't know if this is more or less flexible easy to work with that the mesh.
I also wrote:

"Using a right-angle dental pick to help position the woven wire mesh sections, I positioned the mesh sections behind the grill inside V-shaped openings in the grill supports which held the mesh sections in place until I could tie the mesh sections to the vertical grill supports."

The mesh pieces are so short that they needn't be bent to insert them, so flexibility isn't an issue.
panamamike wrote:
Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:46 pm
Yes, true, but don't know if the mesh could cause an issue for the condenser if it comes loose.
Each mesh piece is attached to the grill by at least 2 zip ties, wire, whatever one chooses, so the risk of all these breaking seems slim. Even if that happened, the mesh isn't going to impact the A/C condenser with much force because it's mostly holes and very light.

My advice is that unless one frequently drives at highway speeds on roads with lots of rocks, installing protective mesh is probably unnecessary and could reduce air flow enough to cause overheating or maybe just a harder working A/C in very hot weather. If I notice this occurring, I could just drill some air holes in the top closed-off section of the grill of our BEV. However, this workaround would not be available for REx drivers.
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Re: AC Condenser Protection - A How To

Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:32 pm

Hi,
I started on a grill as described, then realised there is a FAR simpler method.

Coarse POND FILTER/Air Con' black sheet Material. Its a super lightweight, about 1" / 25mm thick, very free breathing plastic, and cuts to shape with scissors, can simply be deformed though the vent holes, and eased into position. No fixing and it expands to fill the void. Simples. If it need a wash maybe once a year, drag it out, squeeze it in soapy water like a sponge, and put it back.

You're welcome.

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Re: AC Condenser Protection - A How To

Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:07 pm

Ultraligero wrote:
Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:32 pm
Coarse POND FILTER/Air Con' black sheet Material. Its a super lightweight, about 1" / 25mm thick, very free breathing plastic, and cuts to shape with scissors, can simply be deformed though the vent holes, and eased into position. No fixing and it expands to fill the void. Simples. If it need a wash maybe once a year, drag it out, squeeze it in soapy water like a sponge, and put it back.
Interesting idea! Living in a warm climate, I would want to know how much this filter material reduces airflow because this could affect A/C efficiency, electronics and propulsion motor cooling, and REx engine cooling. With wire mesh, I know the percentage of 2-dimensional open space. I can see directly through the screen, so air can flow directly through the open spaces in the screen. The percentage of 3-dimensional open space can be specified for pond filter material, but I don't think that's the same as 2-dimensional open space because of the tortuous airflow path air through 25 mm/1" of filter material. When I look at pond filter material, the percentage of straight paths through the material is pretty small, so the resistance to air flow might be significant.

Let us know what you learn.
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Re: AC Condenser Protection - A How To

Sun Sep 06, 2020 4:51 am

Coarse POND FILTER/Air Con' black sheet Material. Its a super lightweight, about 1" / 25mm thick, very free breathing plastic, and cuts to shape with scissors, can simply be deformed though the vent holes, and eased into position. No fixing and it expands to fill the void. Simples. If it need a wash maybe once a year, drag it out, squeeze it in soapy water like a sponge, and put it back.
Wonder how resistant the coarse pond filter would be to a projectile? The idea of the steel or aluminum mesh, is to stop a small rock traveling at high speed from puncturing the (expensive) AC condenser. I can fire a 1/2 inch rock (which would be small enough to fit through an unprotected grill) from a sling-shot at the steel/aluminum mesh, and it will bounce off. A rock that size traveling at speed might go right through one-inch plastic filter, or just push it out of the way. Question would be, would the one-inch filter stop or slow a high-speed projectile down enough to prevent AC condenser damage?
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