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Fed up with my 94ah REX - 6 weeks!!

Mon Dec 16, 2019 3:54 pm

Well it's been a few weeks, and mixed feelings about the car. But overall negative. Doesn't quite feel as 'solid' as my previous 3 litre diesel, nor is the build quality up to scratch. Don't like the harsh ride and vibration/shudder over potholes and the silent drive from starting.

Also hate the fact that I'm constantly looking at the range/% and it's making me obsessed with hypermiling. Also the front windscreen always gets fogged up!! Also quite put off by the fact that we are almost forced into buying an extended warranty due to the potential astronomic repair costs ... And these do tend to go wrong.. any potential fuel savings may not be significant after all.

I do like the fact that I can charge it at work free and don't have to visit petrol stations much. I miss the torque and acceleration of my previous car however.
So few pros and more cons.

No faults yet. But let's see.

I'm seriously considering going back to ICE, probably BMW diesel. I will of course wait until the year is up so I don't get hit too hard with the depreciation.

Not quite sure what to go for, but probably a 320d (can get up to 60 mpg). Don't think EVs are for me.. although it's early days and I'm keeping an open mind.

Any comments welcome. (Thought I'd create a new thread)

Thanks.

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Re: Fed up with my 94ah REX - 6 weeks!!

Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:00 pm

I won't try to change your mind. I've been in my 94Ah i3 for just over three months and I'm digging it.

I'm surprised you're experiencing range anxiety since you have the REX. My BEV has me planning my drives, but not with any precision. I just know that on certain days I have to hit a pay charger if I have something longer than ordinary planned. I otherwise exclusively Level 1 charge at home and at work. And in fact, my routine has changed drastically for the better since I began using a 16A L1 charger. That small 30% bump in charging speed means my battery is now on average closer to 80% than 40%.

Even though the i3 is quick off the line, it's no rally car and drives the twisty backroads nothing like the AWD turbocharged wagon it replaced -- although that was a meager 211 horsepower. But I knew this going in, and find for the most part I've slowed down and will probably live longer, which isn't a bad trade-off.

My top complaint (currently) is the roof rack situation (knew this going in; bought suction cup crossbars). Maybe in a few months I'll be complaining about the tires and cost / lack of selection.

My allroad was a great car in many ways (and my favorite over the years), and I accept the i3 is no allroad, but the i3 most definitely does many things better than the allroad and I don't have any desire to switch back. (Believe it or not, I cross-shopped the i3 vs. the newer allroad and also the Kia eNiro, which really didn't make any sense.)
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Re: Fed up with my 94ah REX - 6 weeks!!

Mon Dec 16, 2019 5:10 pm

If you opted for the 20" wheels, or, you've not double-checked the inflation pressure, that may be part of your ride issue.

Off the line, the i3 has plenty of torque, at least for me. Personally, I like that it is quiet, but some do enjoy the sound of an engine firing. I find it annoying on a long trip. BMW does a fairly good job of keeping things toned down, except maybe until you opt for an M car.

Regarding the windows fogging...are you running in one of the Eco modes? That purposely lowers the use of the a/c and fan use and will only turn on or ramp things up when it detects them fogging up, but it's not as effective as being in comfort mode. Also note that while in AUTO mode, the fan speed can be adjusted. That is more of an aggressiveness adjustment to the climate control than actual fan speed if in manual mode, and all you may need to do is to notch that up a step or two. If you're leaving it in manual mode, you must tell it where to send the air, and you're allowing it to fog up...left in AUTO mode, it may end up doing a better job. I've rarely needed to hit the window defrost button on mine, but that does happen, mostly prior to the car warming the cabin up completely. If I have enough notice, I tell the car to precondition prior to my departure time, and then the car is warm enough where condensation hasn't proven to be a problem.
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Re: Fed up with my 94ah REX - 6 weeks!!

Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:22 am

Don't like the harsh ride and vibration/shudder over potholes and the silent drive from starting.
You must have the 20" wheels with the low-profile tires. Those are great for the well maintained German Autobahn, but not so good on less well-maintained roads. I switched from the 20" rims to the 19" with the higher profile all-season tires, and it made a world of difference in the ride.
Also hate the fact that I'm constantly looking at the range/% and it's making me obsessed with hypermiling
LOL, I was that way at first too! Totally freaked me out, until one day I had a lot of errands to run, after a longer drive over to my daughter's, and didn't quite make it home, and the REx kicked in. Actually having had the experience of the REx safety net there, and suddenly, no more range-anxiety. It's just the 'mental' transition to an EV - it's a different mind-set and takes a bit of time. Now I only notice it if I'm down to one-bar, and then its 'oh, time to plug it in tonight' kind of thing.
Also quite put off by the fact that we are almost forced into buying an extended warranty due to the potential astronomic repair costs ... And these do tend to go wrong.. any potential fuel savings may not be significant after all.
Sorry, dude - this is a myth. JD Powers rates the i3 as better than average for reliability. The i3 actually has the LOWEST repair frequency and costs out of all the BMW models. Yes, you will hear the 'horror stories' of major repairs on the BMW boards - actually ANY car board - go to the Tesla board and you'd think every Tesla on the planet goes up in flames, or drives itself into the side of a truck inside a year of ownership - , but take them in context. People will ALWAYS post their complaints, but no-one is going to post "well, another 10,000 miles on the car, and no issues". There are 150,0000 i3s on the road, and 95% of them are trouble free. 2014's may have the usual first-model-year issues, but after that, the car is pretty solid, and the four year warranty should catch almost any faults. If something pops up on BMW's radar as happening more frequently, they will normally extend the warranty coverage for that part beyond the 4 yr period, or pay for some or all of the repair on a 'good will' basis.

And the BMW extended warranty (the only one actually worth anything for coverage) is EXPENSIVE, and in the fine print it (and any extended warranty) will only pay for a repair costing less than the wholesale value of the vehicle at the time. The warranty costs like $5 grand. So mentally I plan financially to have that $5K available if I need it for a repair, betting on the odds that I will never need it - and if I hit that 1% vehicle??? Even if I sell the 4+ year old car as junk/salvage, I'm not losing much more than that $5 grand off the car's wholesale/trade in value.

At best, the extended warranty is a total crap-shoot that makes a lot of money for BMW, because they only have to pay out on the smallest fraction of them. Look at it this way, if someone spread ten-thousand lotto tickets out on a table, and said two in the pile win you $12,000, one-hundred are worth $5,000 each, and five-hundred are worth $1,000, then said you could buy one ticket, for a payment of $5,000, would you think it a good deal?? Because those are your odds of having to pay for one of those repairs.
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Re: Fed up with my 94ah REX - 6 weeks!!

Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:07 pm

MKH wrote:
Tue Dec 17, 2019 6:22 am
People will ALWAYS post their complaints, but no-one is going to post "well, another 10,000 miles on the car, and no issues".
Sorry, but that's me. Over 10,000 miles last year in my 2014 i3 and the only issue was the 12v battery. Car has been great and I have the BEV. I have to now remind myself to drive my ICE 2016 Toyota Tacoma Limited 4x4 (which I love) every now and then.

Just think about that. A car that goes about 85 miles max at a time, and I put over 10,000 on it in a single year. Mine is a mix of 65% highway and rest on city streets. Car rides smooth at 80 mph (yeah, I do drive that fast - gotta keep up with Phoenix traffic!) and HOV lane access is a plus.

For running around town, we take the i3. Costco or Wal-Mart run - the i3. Golf around town - the i3. Vegas run - airport or rental car.

I've had no range anxiety after the first couple of months. This forum has been great and hope you continue to give your i3 the chance it deserves.

No. I don't work for BMW. :evil:

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Re: Fed up with my 94ah REX - 6 weeks!!

Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:43 pm

jlangham wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:07 pm
Just think about that. A car that goes about 85 miles max at a time, and I put over 10,000 on it in a single year. Mine is a mix of 65% highway and rest on city streets. Car rides smooth at 80 mph (yeah, I do drive that fast - gotta keep up with Phoenix traffic!) and HOV lane access is a plus.
We're on track to put 25-30,000 miles on our BEV this year :shock:
(2017, so can put a bit more miles on it on one go... and do so, every day)

More than half those miles were put on it at the 94mph (indicated) top speed limiter. :lol:

Charge at work, charge at home, charge at my parents house. If it's not in motion, get it charging.

27,500 miles would have been ~1600 gallons of gas in our cars, which, at 93 octane pricing, =~$5250.

Not bad for a car we're one year into picking up for $19,100 with CPO warranty.
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Re: Fed up with my 94ah REX - 6 weeks!!

Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:06 am

27,500 miles would have been ~1600 gallons of gas in our cars, which, at 93 octane pricing, =~$5250.
That's another point to consider :D

Figuring 12,000 miles per year, and average 93 octane gas at $2.50, average economy car mileage @ 25 miles per gallon, that's $1,200 per year, minus the approximate $300 for cost of electricity for charging the car(home charger) for 12,000 miles, that's $900 a year saved. Add to that the reduced yearly maintenance costs of an EV vs an ICE car, and your actual savings per year for 12,000 miles should be at least $1,500. So in four years ownership you should be $6,000 ahead of ICE car ownership @12,000 miles/year.
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Re: Fed up with my 94ah REX - 6 weeks!!

Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:46 am

MKH wrote:
Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:06 am
27,500 miles would have been ~1600 gallons of gas in our cars, which, at 93 octane pricing, =~$5250.
That's another point to consider :D

Figuring 12,000 miles per year, and average 93 octane gas at $2.50, average economy car mileage @ 25 miles per gallon, that's $1,200 per year, minus the approximate $300 for cost of electricity for charging the car(home charger) for 12,000 miles, that's $900 a year saved. Add to that the reduced yearly maintenance costs of an EV vs an ICE car, and your actual savings per year for 12,000 miles should be at least $1,500. So in four years ownership you should be $6,000 ahead of ICE car ownership @12,000 miles/year.
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Im in So Ca and gas prices around me are in the $3.50 - $4 range, so even more savings

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Re: Fed up with my 94ah REX - 6 weeks!!

Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:53 am

Yeah... my gas cars are all of the not slow sort, so they get somewhere between 15 and 20 mpg. 93 near me is ~3.25-3.50 a gallon.

Adds up fast! We take the i3 any time we're going less than 100 miles and the roads we're driving on aren't going to be fun-- which is 95% of the time, sadly.

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Re: Fed up with my 94ah REX - 6 weeks!!

Mon Dec 23, 2019 10:46 am

Obioban wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:43 pm
jlangham wrote:
Wed Dec 18, 2019 1:07 pm
Just think about that. A car that goes about 85 miles max at a time, and I put over 10,000 on it in a single year. Mine is a mix of 65% highway and rest on city streets. Car rides smooth at 80 mph (yeah, I do drive that fast - gotta keep up with Phoenix traffic!) and HOV lane access is a plus.
We're on track to put 25-30,000 miles on our BEV this year :shock:
(2017, so can put a bit more miles on it on one go... and do so, every day)

More than half those miles were put on it at the 94mph (indicated) top speed limiter. :lol:

Charge at work, charge at home, charge at my parents house. If it's not in motion, get it charging.

27,500 miles would have been ~1600 gallons of gas in our cars, which, at 93 octane pricing, =~$5250.

Not bad for a car we're one year into picking up for $19,100 with CPO warranty.
Holy Cow! That's a bunch of miles in one year! That's great. My 2014 last year was bought close to same price also with a CPO warranty.

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