eXodus
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Driver/Passenger position in the car + different seats

Sun Mar 14, 2021 4:37 am

What I wonder - the dashboard sticks out quite far in the passenger compartment.

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Wonder if you could have moved the passenger and driver forward - since this is not a ICE vehicle you don't need a firewall at the end of the windshield - rather remove the almost useless funk and give the passengers in the back more space.

If you would have used seats with integrated seat belts - like in the e46/e90 convertible.
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There is no need unbuckle for the rear doors to open.

eNate
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Re: Driver/Passenger position in the car + different seats

Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:36 pm

I would guess that attaching the shoulder restraint to the seat as shown adds an amount of weight and bulk to the seat that the designers would have found unacceptable. Just a hunch -- but that seat back also looks super cushy!
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eXodus
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Re: Driver/Passenger position in the car + different seats

Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:38 am

eNate wrote:
Sun Mar 14, 2021 3:36 pm
I would guess that attaching the shoulder restraint to the seat as shown adds an amount of weight and bulk to the seat that the designers would have found unacceptable. Just a hunch -- but that seat back also looks super cushy!
With the driver/passenger further forward, there would have been more space for a thicker seat.
I miss plush seats in my i3. In new BMW in general, there are all kind of sporty these days.

You could have reduce the bulk of the B-Pillar, when there would be no seat belt to be attached.
Might have made up for the heavier seat. The e46 seats are like 60lbs each, you could probably shave a few pounds of when moving to alcantara/fabric instead of leather. I don't like leather anyhow :P

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Re: Driver/Passenger position in the car + different seats

Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:32 am

eXodus –

The two pictures you posted were taken with very different lenses.

The E46 picture looks to have been taken with a telephoto lens which tends to flatten the distances between objects in the image (steering wheel-to-seat).

The i01 picture looks to have been taken with a very wide-angle lens which tends to exaggerate distances between objects.

eXodus
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Re: Driver/Passenger position in the car + different seats

Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:19 am

frictioncircle wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:32 am
eXodus –

The two pictures you posted were taken with very different lenses.
The E46 picture looks to have been taken with a telephoto lens which tends to flatten the distances between objects in the image (steering wheel-to-seat).
The i01 picture looks to have been taken with a very wide-angle lens which tends to exaggerate distances between objects.
I've own / owned both cars :mrgreen: so I that where is my inspiration is coming from

Here is another good one:
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By moving the whole dash, pedals etc. forward (left in this picture )That's my improvement idea.

you see - the dash is pocking in from the A-Pillar / Column about a hand length - other cars I have/had - the dashboard is is almost flush with the A- Pillar and not protruding that far into the passenger space.
But I was just looking up other car models - from recently - that must be some sort safety requirement - because it's really getting common.

No idea if you could engineer around that - but you would gain 4-8 inches (10-20cm) of length in the passenger space without adding length of the car.
There are probably 100 reasons why it was done the way it's been, just thought, would be cool.

agzand
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Re: Driver/Passenger position in the car + different seats

Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:24 pm

BMW moved A pillars forward in the i3. So the dash is where it supposed to be, so are the seats. What have moved are the A pillars which have moved to the left in your picture, giving the impression that the dash is protruding to the right.

By moving the A pillars BMW gave i3 the airy lounge feeling of a much larger car. I feel a more open space in the i3 front seats even compared to my Honda sedan which is classified as a large car (192 inch long).

eXodus
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Re: Driver/Passenger position in the car + different seats

Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:46 pm

agzand wrote:
Wed Mar 17, 2021 2:24 pm
BMW moved A pillars forward in the i3. So the dash is where it supposed to be, so are the seats. What have moved are the A pillars which have moved to the left in your picture, giving the impression that the dash is protruding to the right.

By moving the A pillars BMW gave i3 the airy lounge feeling of a much larger car. I feel a more open space in the i3 front seats even compared to my Honda sedan which is classified as a large car (192 inch long).
thanks for the design explanation. I'm not sure if the i3 would have felt more closed when you would have moved closer to the windshield.
I love the open feel as well. I got more space as a driver then in my Chevy Van - which is 21 feet long :P but

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