skeptic
Posts: 29
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:31 pm

Re: Will likely be buying an i3 within a few months

Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:15 pm

frictioncircle wrote:
Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:05 am
Dear skeptic –

I wish BMW would use the battery convention that the rest of the world has decided upon: kWh, not Ah.

A 22 kWh battery (60Ah) will not deliver "60 miles when running up and down the highway at 70 mph in the cold", not when new, and certainly not now. If you want to drive on the freeway (a FLAT freeway) at 70mph with cabin heat and outside temps below 55°F, expect that 22kWh battery to deliver a range of around 45 miles. Your commute profile makes me think that, if you purchase a 22kWh i3, you need a REx model unless you're able to charge at work.

A 33kWh/94Ah BEV would probably serve you better.
Thanks. This is what I didn't want to hear, but need to hear. I see REX as an important to me safety net and occasional use requirement, but daily or nearly daily use kinda defeats the purpose.

In 2014 I made the switch from gas cars to my i3 BEV. Years of "range anxiety" press coverage lingered in the back of mind when I purchased my i3. After a short while of driving full electric I realized that, in many ways, range anxiety is a manufactured concept.

Some people want to get in a car and just go. If this is your personality, you may fret about range and where to charge. If you are comfortable with planning ahead and considering energy use, I think you'd enjoy driving an i3. I didn't care a whit about gas mileage in my previous gasoline BMWs. Once I got my i3, though, I quickly got past range anxiety and found a lot of fun in cutting consumption.

And... the car is fun as hell to drive!
At least for now, I will have other cars in case of emergency, ice/snow (we get some, but not a lot of that here), long trips (hundreds of miles), towing a trailer, etc. My main priority is just commuting, but I'm hopeful it will become my (almost) everything car. Maybe I'm wrong but I've convinced myself that I "need" over 200 miles of range or a range extender.

skeptic
Posts: 29
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:31 pm

Re: Will likely be buying an i3 within a few months

Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:08 pm

One more thing I just thought of. If I'm looking at ads, or even in person, how can I tell what size battery it has? Is a VIN check the only way?

eNate
Posts: 182
Joined: Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:33 pm

Re: Will likely be buying an i3 within a few months

Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:18 pm

Generally, yes, to be sure. There's nothing on the display screen to indicate kWh unless you try to decipher estimated miles remaining , but that's a crapshoot. The majority of 2017 BEVs on Car Gurus are labeled as 60 Ah but are indeed 94 Ah. The model year is generally a good delineator of battery capacity, but I'd use mdecoder. Keep in mind 60 Ah models won't say anything about battery capacity, but 94 Ah will list 94 in the model name, same with 120.
2 0 1 7   B M W   i 3   9 4 A h   B E V  O a k l a n d
 Wokeby Trunk Extension | Duosida 16A L1 EVSE
 SeaSucker Monkey Bar Roof Rack

sipabit
Posts: 175
Joined: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:01 am

Re: Will likely be buying an i3 within a few months

Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:40 pm

sipabit wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 10:55 pm
Base sound system has only 2 speakers and the upgraded HK one has 6 speakers.
Actually, the base entertainment system includes 2 front door speakers plus 2 kick panel woofers. Some i3 owners feel that the Bavsound front door speaker upgrade is an improvement.

Yes! I ordered them already. Couldn't wait 'til Christmas. Should be here early next week and I'll post a review separately on them. Looking forward to it.
A fanatic of all things electric. Ridables like electric ice chests and stand up scooters I adore. Drones like DJI, I root for. I'm a fan of both, but nothing beats my love for my 2016 i3 Rex with Deka World. Shhh, don't tell my wife.

skeptic
Posts: 29
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:31 pm

Re: Will likely be buying an i3 within a few months

Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:15 pm

Ok, sooo...... I've never been more wishy-washy about a car purchase before in my life. Without trying to remember and list them all out I'd say I've owned at least 20 vehicles, so why am I being so indecisive about this one? Rhetorical question - the answer is it's my first EV and I don't want to buy something then realize it just doesn't work for me OR I spent $30k when I could have been just as happy with a one year older $17k one.

I'm still at least a month away from buying one (leaving on a trip tomorrow, start new job on Nov 4, and in the middle of a kitchen remodel which takes priority). However, just when I thought I had made up my mind to look for a 2017 94Ah Rex with active cruise I'm now considering going back to my original 2015/2016 Rex w/ACC plan. Reason? There is a $10k difference in price, roughly 50% premium.


Now for the actual question. I know nobody can give exact answers and I have tried searching.. Let's call my typical bad weather winter driving 40* and raining, mostly highway, keeping speeds under 70 mph, using adaptive cruise control and keeping the cabin temps reasonable (call it 68*). Any educated guesses on how far I can go before rex kicks in?

I'm even starting to think I might not care if I run 5 or 10 miles a day on rex. The tiny gas tank means hitting the gas station a few times a month, but an extra $10k in my pocket buys a LOT of fuel. See? I can't make up my mind!!!

eNate
Posts: 182
Joined: Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:33 pm

Re: Will likely be buying an i3 within a few months

Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:48 pm

Interesting. Sounds like you're not really wishy-washy about the car, just the battery options.

I'd revisit my original suggestion about taking a good hard look at a BEV model, 2017. That would fulfill your daily commute retirements, save you a few thousand, no REX concerns, no messing with gas fill-ups. To me, it sounds like a compromise worth reconsideration.

I know the BEV doesn't address your coastal run retirement, but are there some options there you can work around?
2 0 1 7   B M W   i 3   9 4 A h   B E V  O a k l a n d
 Wokeby Trunk Extension | Duosida 16A L1 EVSE
 SeaSucker Monkey Bar Roof Rack

skeptic
Posts: 29
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:31 pm

Re: Will likely be buying an i3 within a few months

Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:43 pm

eNate wrote:
Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:48 pm
Interesting. Sounds like you're not really wishy-washy about the car, just the battery options.
Correct. It's possible I could change my mind later, but I'm pretty set on an i3.
I'd revisit my original suggestion about taking a good hard look at a BEV model, 2017. That would fulfill your daily commute retirements, save you a few thousand, no REX concerns, no messing with gas fill-ups. To me, it sounds like a compromise worth reconsideration.

I know the BEV doesn't address your coastal run retirement, but are there some options there you can work around?
Honestly, from what I can tell there is little to no difference in price between the BEV and REX models. Maybe because there are less of them and a lot of people don't want the REX?

The coast trip ability is not an absolute requirement but it's a good example of what I'd like to be able to do. Call it insecurity or range anxiety or whatever, I'm just not ready to buy an EV with such a small range and no range extender. Is 60Ah sufficient or will I be unhappy unless I move up to the 94Ah is my current dilemma. I know frictioncircle already kinda answered this, but I'm hoping for some input from others. 45 miles sounds pretty worst-case, but it's not as easy as I'd expect to find other real world answers. You can't even search for "range" or "real world range" on this site.

jfran2
Posts: 52
Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:20 am

Re: Will likely be buying an i3 within a few months

Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:07 pm

FWIW, my vote is for the older Rex model. I live in mid Missouri, with similar conditions to what you described in winter My 2014 Rex model will usually deliver around 50 miles on battery in winter, closer to 70 in summer. The key with the Rex model is to code it to Euro standards, so you can turn on the Rex at will below 75% charge. On a day trip to the coast, you can use gas for the highway miles, then switch to electricity for tooling around Cannon Beach. Back to gas for the highway trip home, and electricity when you hit the city limits. The coded Rex turns the i3 into a very useful car! I live 100 miles from the nearest big city, and there is an Electrify America DC fast charger at the halfway point. I usually stop there to fill up, but if I can't get it to work, it's sure nice to have the option to continue home with gas!

skeptic
Posts: 29
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:31 pm

Re: Will likely be buying an i3 within a few months

Wed Oct 30, 2019 4:08 pm

I just got back from a trip, spent a lot of time in a Toyota Camry rental car. Let me start by saying what a disappointment of a car. We reserved a full-size car expecting something nicer and this is what we got, the only thing available. If nothing else, it reinforced my dislike for front wheel drive cars. One nice thing it had was adaptive (radar) cruise control. If I was ever questioning whether or not to hold out for an i3 with ACC this confirmed it, I will not buy an i3 without ACC. The Camry also had it's form of lane keep assist but it was complete rubbish. I get that it was only designed to keep you from drifting out of your lane and not something similar to Tesla autopilot, but it was garbage at even that. I ended up turning it off.

skeptic
Posts: 29
Joined: Thu Oct 10, 2019 7:31 pm

Re: Will likely be buying an i3 within a few months

Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:31 pm

So, spot of good news. I found a charger at work. It's not really listed on plugshare, probably because it's private for employee use only. I say "not really" listed because if you zoom way in near where it is there is a a shorepower icon listed.

I still want a REX or nothing, but a '15/'16 will be just fine. That's not to say I wouldn't buy a '17 if the right deal came along, but I'm no longer worried about running on gas to get home in cold weather all winter long.

Return to “Buying the BMW i3”