3pete
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Re: BMW says i3 REX is done!!

Sun Dec 01, 2019 7:34 pm

It's an interesting conundrum: if you need less than 60 miles 90% of the time, then lugging around the range extender is a waste. But, the same argument could be made that lugging around 300 miles of range in batteries for 'around town' driving is a waste and yet no one criticizes Teslas or ICE vehicles for their long range. On the flip side, if you need 82 miles of range in a car with 81 miles of range, extra battery range or a range extender is invaluable.

I'm a fan of the approach BMW took with the REX in the i3 and I say that as a non-REX owner. I certainly hope its days are numbered because I'm hoping battery tech will improve to the point it's no longer needed, but I'm not sure when that will happen and I definitely don't think we're there yet. So in the meantime, the development has already been done, so why not keep selling it as long as people want to buy it? It'll be interesting to see how long that actually is.

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Re: BMW says i3 REX is done!!

Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:08 pm

I think the thing that will improve the most over the next 10 years and make REX less necessary is improved public charging.

Does anyone know if there is an app that connects homeowner charge stations with (desperate) BEV owners?

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Re: BMW says i3 REX is done!!

Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:21 pm

jadnashuanh wrote:
Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:19 pm
In a one-car family, the REx can work. My personal experience even with my BEV is that about the time the battery is nearly discharged, I'm ready to get out of it, so a longer range wouldn't be a very useful thing.

As a one-car family, I'm toying with the new X5, as it has a large enough battery so I'd not be needing the engine most of the time, and with it, unlimited range with quick refills at any gas station along the way.

One engineer says he can make a non-rechargeable, but quickly replaceable, aluminum-air battery that could go about 1500-miles between replacements which would clip in and out. No nasty environmental chemical issues as hopefully, we won't run out of air, and aluminum is one of the most plentiful elements on the planet. It has about 8-9x higher energy content than LiOn batteries.
It is my understanding that the original X5 hybrid only gave about 10 miles of useful battery-only range and the new model still only gives about 25-30 miles. Maybe useful for short trips to the grocery store but not much else. Especially with what cold winter weather will do to that range. Still, if I was buying an X5, that's probably the one I'd buy.
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Re: BMW says i3 REX is done!!

Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:23 pm

Jayse wrote:
Mon Dec 02, 2019 4:08 pm
I think the thing that will improve the most over the next 10 years and make REX less necessary is improved public charging.

Does anyone know if there is an app that connects homeowner charge stations with (desperate) BEV owners?
PlugShare gives homeowners the ability to list their chargers. I know of one person in my area who lists his Tesla residential charger.
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Re: BMW says i3 REX is done!!

Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:10 pm

New X5 has an inline 6 cylinder, which is much better than the 4 cylinder my 2017 X5 had. The 4 cylinder shockingly had enough power, but it sounded terrible for such an expensive car.

2019/20 X5 does have a better all electric range, but depending on temperature and climate usage...range is only 20ish :(
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Re: BMW says i3 REX is done!!

Thu Dec 05, 2019 4:39 pm

I have owned an i3 with REX and hardly used the REX - to me it is the Achilles heel in an otherwise phenomenal design. The REX caused me headaches and I believe it causes a lot of reliability problems over the pure BEV i3. To me the REX was several hundred pounds of added weight that degraded performance and range.

And speaking of range, it is an overrated statistic that ignores the fact that the i3 is a small city car with perfectly adequate range in city driving. The decision to have a smaller battery was an engineering decision considering the intended use of the vehicle as a small every day urban car. Range anxiety is partly a marketing ploy - If you want really long range there is the Tesla Model S, but forget about using this land-yacht as a city runabout.

I am awaiting delivery of a 2020 BEV i3. For my needs no other EV comes close to competing with the i3. Long-live the i3!

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Re: BMW says i3 REX is done!!

Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:04 pm

Thanks Mark!

2020 i3?! In Canada right? Our dealer here in So. Cal says NO 2020 i3! I don't know if he means for all of 2020, or just for a while!

BMW is buying my beloved 2019 i3S back and there are almost NO cars with Tech package, Sport package and the colour I want or like. I would wait for a 2020, but dealer says nope :(
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Re: BMW says i3 REX is done!!

Thu Dec 05, 2019 11:36 pm

Deutsch100 wrote:
Thu Dec 05, 2019 10:04 pm
BMW is buying my beloved 2019 i3S back and there are almost NO cars with Tech package, Sport package and the colour I want or like. I would wait for a 2020, but dealer says nope :(
If this is a lemon law repurchase, what happened?

It does seem late for no official U.S. 2020 i3 configurator. If BMW really does end U.S. i3 sales, maybe it's because the REx model won't be sold anywhere, and BMW feels that U.S. BEV sales would be too low to continue selling them when they could be sold in significant numbers elsewhere. Hope that's not the case.
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Re: BMW says i3 REX is done!!

Fri Dec 06, 2019 5:50 am

Yes, seems very odd, that on the BMW-USA site, every single model, including the i8 (of which 2020 is supposed to be the last year of production) shows and has order-able the 2020 year model EXCEPT for the i3, which still is listed as 2019. :o
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Re: BMW says i3 REX is done!!

Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:55 am

Interesting - I just went to the BMW Canada configurator and it is for a 2018 i3! Have sales been so bad that they haven't bothered to update the website?

I have a 2020 on order for delivery in the new year. I negotiated and signed the sales agreement on Nov 4, 2019 at a BMW dealership in Toronto.

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