abeln2672
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Re: 2014 Yes or No...

Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:03 pm

i3Alan wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:09 am
abeln2672 wrote:
Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:06 am
I'm also in Indy and drove home my 2014 Rex from Minneapolis about a month ago. I LOVE IT! You can't beat the value on a 2014, IMO. I was mainly shopping Chevy Bolts and Teslas, but I got a really well-appointed 2014 i3 with most options I wanted and a set of winter tires/wheels for $12k. Man, the savings alone over those other two cars is just crazy.

Yes, buying used is a risk. I'm no expert, but it seems there were some common issues with 2014's, but if they've either been fixed or the car has 40k+ miles on it without trouble with the below, you're probably out of the woods:
  • Plastic motor mounts and smaller/weaker bolts
  • High voltage battery cables
  • Fuel door release
  • Rex generic "drivetrain" error (sometimes cheap fuel pump, sometimes expensive total replacement)
  • Strut dust covers/boots
Your list seems to omit infrequent failures of the AC compressor self destruction, but which deliver $20K repair quotes.

In financial circles, there is a factor called alpha that relates expected risk to expected return. The concept is that higher risks are justified, positive alpha, only when correspondingly higher returns are expected. Your list are things with poor, or negative, "alpha" on the i3. The higher the risk of a failure item may be justified by an easy inexpensive repair, or, conversely the lower risk of a failure may be irrelevant in the case of horrendously outrageous repair cost. The catastrophic failure possible with the AC would have to make its alpha completely terrible, perhaps more negative than any other item on your list.
Really sorry to hear that you were one of the unlucky ones with this issue :-( I saw a post on this forum with instructions on fashioning a protective screen for the compressor, so I actually did that a couple weeks after buying my used Rex. The theory was rock strikes causing the failures, but I'm not sure that's been proven. Either way, I can't imagine how all this felt, so I don't begrudge you warning others. It's definitely infrequent as you point out, but it's a risk nonetheless. Same as a catastrophic CVT failure is a risk with a Nissan and certain Hondas, regardless of how reliable they are on the whole (my Altima gave me 175k trouble-free miles before I sold it this month). Stinks if you're in the 0.3%.

Away2Maine
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Re: 2014 Yes or No...

Sat Mar 21, 2020 5:41 pm

Wow...step away for a few days and all kinds of interesting things might pop up. Thanks for the ongoing conversation.

The reason for stepping away a few days included all that went into pickup up a 2014 i3 BEV from the State of Washington and getting the process underway remotely. The car has a very clean Carfax and the pictures and follow-up information from the dealership gives me no significant pause with this purchase. I expect it to be delivered sometime in the next 7-10 days and cannot wait to plug and play.

Once it is here, I will certainly begin the Batt.Kapp.Max process after giving it a little time under my normal charging and driving procedures.

eNate
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Re: 2014 Yes or No...

Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:14 pm

Congrats, and a second congrats on the BEV. I think the REX is a safety blanket many are unwilling to give up, especially on 60Ah models. It's certainly refreshing to have no gas engine to worry about.

Where are you shipping the car to?

The battery capacity readout has its inaccuracies, but doesn't really need to be "broken in" by sensible driving the same as when trying to get an accurate range estimate. It is supposedly most accurate after a full discharge - charge cycle, but I've found mine to be stable even though my battery tends to live life partially charged.
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Re: 2014 Yes or No...

Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:58 pm

abeln2672 wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:03 pm
I saw a post on this forum with instructions on fashioning a protective screen for the compressor, so I actually did that a couple weeks after buying my used Rex. The theory was rock strikes causing the failures, but I'm not sure that's been proven.
The screen protects the A/C condenser behind the air intake grill below the front bumper, not the compressor that's mounted next to the drive motor near the rear axle. The compressor could disintegrate internally which could spread shrapnel throughout the A/C and battery pack plumbing resulting in a very expensive repair. Fortunately, this seems to be quite rare.

There's no connection between a rock strike that punctures the condenser and compressor failure as far as I know. A punctured condenser must be replaced which isn't an inexpensive repair, so protecting it with a screen might be worth doing as long as air flow isn't reduced so much that poor A/C performance or drive motor, motor electronics, or REx motor overheating might result in hot weather.
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Away2Maine
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Re: 2014 Yes or No...

Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:23 am

eNate wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:14 pm
Congrats, and a second congrats on the BEV. I think the REX is a safety blanket many are unwilling to give up, especially on 60Ah models. It's certainly refreshing to have no gas engine to worry about.

Where are you shipping the car to?

The battery capacity readout has its inaccuracies, but doesn't really need to be "broken in" by sensible driving the same as when trying to get an accurate range estimate. It is supposedly most accurate after a full discharge - charge cycle, but I've found mine to be stable even though my battery tends to live life partially charged.
My goal was to get completely away from ICE, so I was happy to find this very nice piece. I absolutely understand the benefit of REx, but wanted to experience the full feel and the lower maintenance benefit of an EV life. My wife still cruises in a sexy minivan, so we always have a long range option at the ready. It is shipping from a high-end independent dealer in Washington State to Indianapolis sometime this week. I have the Lysol wipes at the ready.

Good to know that the battery capacity and range estimate processes aren't necessarily the same. From a distance the only real way I had to estimate battery capacity was through the range estimate provided by the seller. He said he was seeing around 60 miles in range at full charge, so I computed this to be around 75% capacity, sneaking up on the warranty figure of 70% with about 17 months left under capacity warranty. I believe that one BMS update has been done and know that there might be another in it's future before even beginning any discussion with BMW on replacement (if I even get to that point). I've also read some references to the 12v battery having some impact in the range estimate, which is interesting.

Looking forward to the i3's arrival so I can begin playing and researching all these topics in person!

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Re: 2014 Yes or No...

Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:38 pm

FWIW, after driving my i3 enough to purge my brother-in-laws driving history, it went from 46-miles to 68-miles at around freezing temperatures. Driving style and duration of the trip can make a significant difference in the indicated miles to empty.

Enjoy your new car...hope all's well for the long-term.

I'm trying to ween myself to a single vehicle, and am seriously considering a 2021 X5 hybrid. Enough battery range for my normal stuff, and the gasoline tank for those other occasions. Now, in all EV mode, it will be sluggish compared to the i3 as it has a smaller electric motor and weighs more, but put it in a mode where the motor turns on, and you can haul ass past an i3, even from the stoplight, as the motor gives it that instant torque and it has more that twice the Hp, and doesn't weigh 2x as much.
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2011 535i x-drive GT, 2014 i3 BEV
Soon (hopefully!) A 2021 X5 45e will replace the above

Away2Maine
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Re: 2014 Yes or No...

Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:27 pm

jadnashuanh wrote:
Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:38 pm
FWIW, after driving my i3 enough to purge my brother-in-laws driving history, it went from 46-miles to 68-miles at around freezing temperatures. Driving style and duration of the trip can make a significant difference in the indicated miles to empty.

Enjoy your new car...hope all's well for the long-term.

I'm trying to ween myself to a single vehicle, and am seriously considering a 2021 X5 hybrid. Enough battery range for my normal stuff, and the gasoline tank for those other occasions. Now, in all EV mode, it will be sluggish compared to the i3 as it has a smaller electric motor and weighs more, but put it in a mode where the motor turns on, and you can haul ass past an i3, even from the stoplight, as the motor gives it that instant torque and it has more that twice the Hp, and doesn't weigh 2x as much.
Good to hear that the range estimate will be more inline with my personal driving style. This may make it better, but it may also make it worse. This depends on the day and my mood!

Good, bad, or otherwise, this will be an extra vehicle for us. My daily driver currently is a GL450 that is necessary to handle our camper and I'm pretty sure the i3 can't 'pull' that off. If/When we get out of the camping hobby, the Mercedes will go away.

jlangham
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Re: 2014 Yes or No...

Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:58 am

Congrats on your i3! I also have a 2014 BEV that I've owned for a year and a half. In the beginning, I was worried about the health of my battery. Not now. There are some days that my GOM (Guess-O-Meter) will display 90 mile range in Eco Pro +. Not bad for almost 75k miles on the car and the fact that I "drive it like I stole it" many times. My commute to work is 19 miles one way and about 75% on freeways - where I drive "slightly" faster than the posted speed limit. I never sweat with range anxiety anymore.

All that to say, enjoy the car! It's fun! We now drive it so much, that I have to remember to drive my pickup every once in a while to keep it lubricated. It is one of the most practical commuter cars made.

Also, get a Level 2 charger at home if you can. It will make your life easier.

Away2Maine
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Re: 2014 Yes or No...

Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:00 am

jlangham wrote:
Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:58 am
Congrats on your i3! I also have a 2014 BEV that I've owned for a year and a half. In the beginning, I was worried about the health of my battery. Not now. There are some days that my GOM (Guess-O-Meter) will display 90 mile range in Eco Pro +. Not bad for almost 75k miles on the car and the fact that I "drive it like I stole it" many times. My commute to work is 19 miles one way and about 75% on freeways - where I drive "slightly" faster than the posted speed limit. I never sweat with range anxiety anymore.

All that to say, enjoy the car! It's fun! We now drive it so much, that I have to remember to drive my pickup every once in a while to keep it lubricated. It is one of the most practical commuter cars made.

Also, get a Level 2 charger at home if you can. It will make your life easier.
Good to hear you have enjoyed yours as much as I hope to enjoy mine. My biggest challenge right now is not buying accessories before the car arrives via transport from the State of Washington. It left Washington last Thursday and hopefully will arrive sometime very soon (today was the originally intended date, but...?).

It is arriving with only 1 remote, so I've done the appropriate research on this site and others and may drop the coin to get a 2nd after it arrives. I've already ordered a fob cover to either keep from scratching it too much, or cover the scratches that already exist. I've narrowed down the L2 options to a couple and need to determine if I want to add a second meter for the i3 and participate in the local utilities program, or just do a self install of the L2 (not rocket science...but my son is studying to be one so that helps). Patience is a virtue...so they say!?

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Re: 2014 Yes or No...

Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:48 pm

Away2Maine –

Congratulations on your 2014 i3 purchase! BMW did such a good job at making an EV that is fun to drive – I hope you enjoy the miles ahead.

Some thoughts and an anecdote – anecdote first... My insurance took a big jump this year, way more than one might expect for a six-year-old car with no claims (2014 i3 BEV, original owner). Had a chat with my insurance agent and we figured out that I was paying for more miles annually than I was actually driving. My agent needed to establish a baseline for my mileage and asked when the last time I was in for service within the last 12 months.

"None", I replied.

"Well what about oil changes?"

"It's 100% electric", I answered.

In 16 months I've not been to any kind of service!

Have things gone wrong on the car since I bought it new in 2014? Oh, sure. But everything was covered under the original warranty or by BMW goodwill. Knocking on sustainably-sourced open-grain eucalyptus veneer, things seem to have settled down on the reliability front.

If you wish to prevent the prior owner from being able to set preconditioning or potentially see your i3's location, download the current BMW Connected app, log in, and provide your contact info and VIN so the vehicle is now associated with you.

Below are places where user data lives and ways to reset them. Note, there are no undos for these, so export user profiles to a USB stick first (if you think you might want to go back).


Delete the prior owner's data:
This is a master reset, and this option can be found in a number of different submenus. Here’s one place to find it.
– From the home menu, scroll to "Settings" and press the iDrive controller
– Press the physical “Option” button in the center console
– Scroll to "Delete all personal data"and press the iDrive controller, you will be then asked to confirm the delete
In my experience, this reset wipes everything in one step, including defined button presets, mirror positions and Settings menu preferences as well as the individual settings listed below. I can’t recall if this resets for the key fob that’s in the car with you at the time or if it resets for all key fobs.


Reset driving statistics:
This is useful if you want to reset the average speed and consumption that the car has calculated since it was last reset. I don’t believe this affects the Guess-O-Meter and its 18-mile buffer.
– From the home menu, scroll to "Vehicle Info" and press the iDrive controller
– Scroll to "Trip Computer" and press the iDrive controller
– Scroll to "Reset" and press the iDrive controller
– Click on “Yes” to confirm the reset


Forget all previously paired Bluetooth devices:
– From the home menu, scroll to "Settings" and press the iDrive controller
– Scroll to "Connections" and press the iDrive controller
– Scroll to "Bluetooth" and press the iDrive controller
– Scroll to the first Bluetooth device in the list
– Press the physical “Option” button in the center console
– Scroll to “Remove device” and press the iDrive controller


Forget the last destinations:
– From the home menu, scroll to “Navigation” and press the iDrive controller
– Scroll to “Last Destinations” and press the iDrive controller.
– Press the physical “Option” button in the center console
– Scroll to “Delete all last destinations” and press the iDrive controller


Forget the last charging stations:
– From the home menu, scroll to “Navigation” and press the iDrive controller
– Scroll to “Last Charging Stations” and press the iDrive controller.
– Press the physical “Option” button in the center console
– Scroll to “Delete all” and press the iDrive controller


Clear driver profiles that tied to the key fob:
– From the home menu, scroll to "Settings" and press the iDrive controller
– Scroll to “Profiles” and press the iDrive controller
– Scroll to the profile you wish to reset
– Press the physical “Option” button in the center console
– Scroll to “Reset Current Profile” and press the iDrive controller

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