MKH
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Re: How many have had the drive train malfunction error?

Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:42 am

Ouch! :o
Talk about padding the bill!
Looks like they deliberately split the installation into two separate jobs, 1. Install the battery, 2. Program the battery, and billed their minimum labor charge, likely one hour at least, to each job, when the whole thing probably took 20 minutes. And am at a loss to figure out what $40 bucks worth of "shop supplies" you need to install a battery - so this shop must just tack on a percentage of the total to everyone's bill for shop supply costs, whether they used any or not.
But you did get towing and a loaner with the deal - which is worth something..

Think I'd be looking around for a well-reviewed independent service garage that specializes in BMW's for any future needs. I have two BMW dealers within 10 miles of me - both with terrible service departments, but have an independent BMW repair shop near me, owned and run by two BMW factory-trained mechanics, with top reviews (and lower prices) who get my current non-warranty service business, and will get it all once my warranty is up.
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Re: How many have had the drive train malfunction error?

Sat Jan 19, 2019 1:01 pm

FWIW, on my BMW ICE, PepBoys will change and reprogram a new battery for $35. They'll change a battery for free. When I changed my battery in my ICE, it's just that they didn't have quite the battery I wanted, so I ended up buying the battery from the dealer (had the best parts price) and did it myself. I cannot see $400 in labor...that's nearly $800/hour actual. Dealers are private enterprises. When doing a warranty repair, they get what BMW decides is fair, but out of warranty, it's whatever the market will bare. I do not see that fee as fair, but a ripoff, and, given a choice, would not patronize them.
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Re: How many have had the drive train malfunction error?

Sat Jan 19, 2019 5:20 pm

MKH wrote:Ouch! :o
Talk about padding the bill!
Looks like they deliberately split the installation into two separate jobs, 1. Install the battery, 2. Program the battery, and billed their minimum labor charge, likely one hour at least, to each job, when the whole thing probably took 20 minutes. And am at a loss to figure out what $40 bucks worth of "shop supplies" you need to install a battery - so this shop must just tack on a percentage of the total to everyone's bill for shop supply costs, whether they used any or not.
But you did get towing and a loaner with the deal - which is worth something..

Think I'd be looking around for a well-reviewed independent service garage that specializes in BMW's for any future needs. I have two BMW dealers within 10 miles of me - both with terrible service departments, but have an independent BMW repair shop near me, owned and run by two BMW factory-trained mechanics, with top reviews (and lower prices) who get my current non-warranty service business, and will get it all once my warranty is up.


Yeah, it was tough because they originally told me it would be under warranty. Since this is a CPO, I went with the dealer. they did tow (drag!) it out of my garage and provided a loaner, but I also believe the price was above what it should be. I can't really look around for someone else to work on my car because it's CPO. After all of my warranties are out though, yeah, I'm going to have someone else do the work or tackle things myself.

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Re: How many have had the drive train malfunction error?

Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:48 am

yeah, I'm going to have someone else do the work or tackle things myself.


Yeah, I'm looking at getting a good ODB tool, and the i3 shop manual, since the 12v batteries seem to average 4 years. Including the cost of a battery AND the ODB tool to register it with, cost would only be in the $300 range. Looking at the Foxwell ODB, but still doing some checking.
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Re: How many have had the drive train malfunction error?

Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:09 am

A good diagnostic tool is key. You should look into getting ISTA set up on a Windows laptop of sorts. It's the same program the dealership uses. of course, setting up ISTA isn't the easiest thing in the world, and if you buy a BMW diagnostic tool, then you have at least some guarantee of "it just works".

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Re: How many have had the drive train malfunction error?

Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:10 pm

Here is a posting from a 2016 (I am assuming) BMW i3 owner, with a bad 12 v battery, getting it replaced by the Dealership under the original vehicle warranty, at no cost. So I guess a CPO warranty does not provide the same coverage as the original vehicle warranty??

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/07/13/ou ... ce-center/
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Re: How many have had the drive train malfunction error?

Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:24 pm

MKH wrote:Here is a posting from a 2016 (I am assuming) BMW i3 owner, with a bad 12 v battery, getting it replaced by the Dealership under the original vehicle warranty, at no cost. So I guess a CPO warranty does not provide the same coverage as the original vehicle warranty??

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/07/13/ou ... ce-center/


Yeah, his car was still under warranty. My car has 61k miles and they double checked that it wasn't covered. It sucks paying that much for a battery, but it looks like he (the guy in the link) had the same errors I had, though it doesn't specifically state the Drivetrain Error.

I'll definitely replace the battery myself next time. Lessons learned.

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Re: How many have had the drive train malfunction error?

Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:43 am

2016 REX 14,400 miles and the drive train alert upon start. Car seemed to drive fine, A/C working, battery capacity all OK. I don't use the REX very often.

Dealer diagnosis: coolant leak, A/C unit fail, fuel pressure sensor and high voltage cable require replacement. 7-10 days back order from DE to US. I'll report back on details with repair complete.

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Re: How many have had the drive train malfunction error?

Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:17 pm

So this morning leaving at 5:30 AM, the "drive train malfunction" light comes on. The pop-up says you can continue but need to take the car into the dealer (boat payment due?) Regardless, I run my errand and driving to the fast DC charger, enabled the REx that comes on and it works normally. Huh.

While on the charger, I plug in the iCar OBD device and fire up BimmerLink:
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You'll notice the three dots in the upper right on the main screens, hitting this brought up the options to "Clear Errors" or "Send a report."

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    Info memory
    49 errors

    TRSVC
    1 error
    800BD6: ECU_RESET_REASON

    RE_EME
    2 errors
    21DDD0: REME INVERTER, REDUCED-POWER OPERATION: TEMPERATURE
    THRESHOLD EXCEEDED
    21DDD0: REME INVERTER, REDUCED-POWER OPERATION: TEMPERATURE
    THRESHOLD EXCEEDED

    ZGW
    8 errors
    100600: FLEXRAY PROTOCOL STARTUP TIME IS TOO HIGH
    100601: UNEXPECTED ASYNCHRONOUS STATE ON FLEXRAYBUS
    100604: A FLEXRAY ERROR HAS ACCUMULATED
    100100: CONTACT TO FZM SLAVE LOST
    100104: HW WECKGRUND ZGW
    100300: COMMISSIONING COULD NOT BE PERFORMED AS TAS ALREADY EMPLOYS
    100203: DM SOFTWARE ERROR INFO WARNING
    100204: MESSAGE MONITORING: SYSTEM CONTEXT SIGNAL FAILED

    1

    LIM
    1 error
    805543: PLC_ERROR_REASON

    KLE
    2 errors
    21E688: PARTIAL NETWORK OPERATION
    21E689: ERROR

    EME
    5 errors
    E89400: MESSAGE (VEHICLE CONDITION, 0X3A0) IS MISSING
    22280A: HV POWER MANAGEMENT: SHUTDOWN REQUESTOR CAT 2
    22280B: HV POWER MANAGEMENT: SHUTDOWN REQUESTOR CAT
    22282E: CHECKCONTROL 557: SECURE VEHICLE AGAINST ROLLING AWAY!
    22282A: CHECKCONTROL 244: ENGAGE THE GEAR BRAKE PEDAL!

    2

    TFM
    1 error
    1D0001: MESSAGE (VEHICLE CONDITION, 0X3A0) IS MISSING

    SAS
    3 errors
    030807: FAS - FUNCTIONAL DEACTIVATION
    030809: FAS - BRAKE - OPERATIONAL READINESS
    482EBB: IPDUM_E_TRANSMIT_FAILED

    PMA
    1 error
    8032A0: PMA ABORT FUNCTIONAL WITHOUT CCM

    EPS
    2 errors
    4822C6: ASSIST FIREWALL TOUCHED
    4822D4: ASSIST FIREWALL FAULTMODE

    3

    CAS
    5 errors
    400030: EWS COMMUNICATION PRIMARY: TIMEOUT REDUNDANCY
    804000: RESET FOR UNKNOWN REASON
    804002: RESET BY EXTERNAL
    80402C: NVM EEPROM DRIVER ERROR
    8040BC: IBS WAKEUP: WAKE-UP SIGNAL IMPLAUSIBLE

    FZD
    1 error
    801A20: CAN_E_TIMEOUT

    KOMBI
    6 errors
    B7F67C: COMBI: CAN INPUT BUFFER, DATA LOSS
    B7F669: COMBI: INFO ERROR 1
    E12C2F: INTERFACE HU (ACKNOWLEDGMENT REQUEST COMBINATION, 0X172):
    SIGNAL FAULTY
    E12C30: INTERFACE HU (STATUS SERVICE CALL TELEX, 0X30F): SIGNAL FAULTY
    E12C3C: INTERFACE DME, DDE (STATUS CONSUMPTION FUEL MOTOR, 0X2C4):
    SIGNAL INVALID
    E12C4A: INTERFACE HU (FORECAST ROUTE TARGET, 0X3C7): SIGNAL INVALID

    4

    ECALL
    8 errors
    610019: NVM INTEGRITY CHECK FAILED
    E14405: TIMEOUT CAN MESSAGE GPS_CTI_MOST
    E14406: TIMEOUT CAN MESSAGE GPS_PO_EXTS_MOST
    E14409: TIMEOUT CAN MESSAGE TERMINATION
    E14426: INVALID SIGNAL IN CAN MESSAGE GPS_PO_EXTS_MOST
    E1442C: INVALID SIGNAL IN CAN MESSAGE STAT_ZV_KLAPPEN
    E14413: TIMEOUT CAN MESSAGE STAT_GANG_RUECKWAERTS
    E14414: TIMEOUT CAN MESSAGE STAT_ZV_KLAPPEN

    KLIMA
    3 errors
    07802B: COMM_E_NET_START_IND_CHANNEL_0
    078107: EDH INVALID INDEX
    078100: EKMV ALIVECOUNTER

    5

Without a timestamp, a list of errors could have been collected over a long period of time. We don't have causality. Otherwise, the car worked normally. It could have been a transient. So my practice is to reset all errors and see if the problem returns.

The error indicator remained so I put the car on a charger and got breakfast. When I came back, the error indicator was clear. We call that "Cleared while testing."

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Re: How many have had the drive train malfunction error?

Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:28 am

I had the 'drivetrain malfunction error' before . I turned off the car completely . Got out . Gave the car a push from behind and then from the front . Got back in and it started without error . I don't know if it was trying to move the drivetrain that made the difference or just restarting . It's the only time that I've had the 'drivetrain malfunction error'

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