MarkNo
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Re: i3 is over

Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:53 pm

The precursor to the i3 was the MINI E, of which 600 were made, and it informed the development and production of the i3.

The new Mini E Concept car that made its debut at the Frankfurt Auto Show in 2017 will apparently be in production for the 2019 model year, and the drivetrain will be from the i3.

So basically the i3 will morph into the Mini E, and the lineage will go on even after the i3 is discontinued (or not) after 2020?

The i3 is likely a more premium vehicle that the Mini E will be, and perhaps they will both evolve together on the same platform and continue to be offered in parallel by both Mini Cooper as well as BMW? Or the i3 will be retired and continue in spirit as the Mini E?

Either way, the i3 is not done!

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Re: i3 is over

Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:35 pm

Another $50k into the pot doesn’t matter. That’s doubling the price I would have to say it matters.

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Re: i3 is over

Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:14 pm

EVMan wrote:The faster u drive or charge or accelerate , the bigger battery helps.
and i got a EV, as i do like to drive it fast.....
If u drive slow, u r good to go with smaller....

At least for now, a larger battery means more weight which means that it takes more energy to accelerate or even maintain while trying to climb a grade. At some point, it becomes a losing proposition. The bigger hassle is that if you DO use all of that larger battery, it is generally quite time-consuming to recharge it, and it may not be possible at home. Even Tesla with their superchargers, it takes awhile to recharge one of their cars - far far more time than filling up a gas tank. New battery tech will continue to become more energy dense, keeping the weight down to a degree, and at least in theory, if not in practice (probably far more likely in Europe) the advent of the 350Kw fast charging systems new cars are likely to start offering will change things.

I still contend, an i3, used as designed, has plenty of battery capacity. The increased cost, weight, charging time of larger battery packs isn't useful. Now, if the car were designed for longer trips, obviously, a larger battery would be required, but IMHO, it would require a different vehicle design to be optimized for that task.
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Re: i3 is over

Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:37 pm

jadnashuanh wrote:I still contend, an i3, used as designed, has plenty of battery capacity. The increased cost, weight, charging time of larger battery packs isn't useful. Now, if the car were designed for longer trips, obviously, a larger battery would be required, but IMHO, it would require a different vehicle design to be optimized for that task.


+1

My plan still is to drive our 2015 i3 REx (40k mi) 3-4 more years and then switch to a 2nd or 3rd battery gen used i3. Failing that, I might consider a battery swap in Germany, if still offered. But this depends on the overall state of the vehicle (suspension, seats, body etc). As said earlier, this is a rust-free, low maintenance car. If driven as intended, it should last for a long time. The i3 (and 225xe) combined save us about £1k per year in fuel - that's also not to be sniffed at.

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Re: i3 is over

Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:54 am

Kiwi wrote:With the amount of long range battery Ev's being launched with great designs like the new Jaguar I Pace with a range of 480k who would pay the large dollars BMW requires for a very out of date BMW i3

Our BMW i3-REx is not a cuff link, tie, or pair of shoes. It is not a style but exceptionally cheap in the city with peer performance on the highway. But of course the honorable competition has not been asleep and improved technology continues to come out. It really comes down to architecture, plug-in hybrid or pure EV.

BEV

Intra-City range is available but charging, even with the proprietary SuperCharger network is still a big hit in block-to-block speed. If you are going on a weekend trip that requires charging enroute, overhead hours make such trips impractical.

PLUG-IN

The efficiency of EV in the city yet long legs of an ICE. It means effective for a get-away weekend with both speed and range. Since 2012, there has been a significant growth of plug-in models to choose from including the truly large Pacifica minivan. So we backed up our used 2014 BMW i3-REX with a more efficient, lower priced, new 2017 Prius Prime Plus.

When replacing a car, buyers only have the market of new and used cars to choose from ... a snapshot in time. Australians have a different car market and choices than the USA, Japan, and New Zealand. But everything comes down to the buyer's requirements. No high-speed, long range requirement, go BEV. But if you want to cover 1,000 miles (1,600 km) in a day, the plug-in hybrid is the way to go.

Bob Wilson

ps. I've shared this graph with my regular forums:
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Source: www.hybridcars.com the dashboard reports
20k/27k mi 2014 BMW i3-REx
10k/10k mi 2017 Prius Prime

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Re: i3 is over

Wed May 02, 2018 1:39 am

bwilson4web wrote:
Kiwi wrote:With the amount of long range battery Ev's being launched with great designs like the new Jaguar I Pace with a range of 480k who would pay the large dollars BMW requires for a very out of date BMW i3

Our BMW i3-REx is not a cuff link, tie, or pair of shoes. It is not a style but exceptionally cheap in the city with peer performance on the highway. But of course the honorable competition has not been asleep and improved technology continues to come out. It really comes down to architecture, plug-in hybrid or pure EV.

BEV

Intra-City range is available but charging, even with the proprietary SuperCharger network is still a big hit in block-to-block speed. If you are going on a weekend trip that requires charging enroute, overhead hours make such trips impractical.

PLUG-IN

The efficiency of EV in the city yet long legs of an ICE. It means effective for a get-away weekend with both speed and range. Since 2012, there has been a significant growth of plug-in models to choose from including the truly large Pacifica minivan. So we backed up our used 2014 BMW i3-REX with a more efficient, lower priced, new 2017 Prius Prime Plus.

When replacing a car, buyers only have the market of new and used cars to choose from ... a snapshot in time. Australians have a different car market and choices than the USA, Japan, and New Zealand. But everything comes down to the buyer's requirements. No high-speed, long range requirement, go BEV. But if you want to cover 1,000 miles (1,600 km) in a day, the plug-in hybrid is the way to go.

Bob Wilson

ps. I've shared this graph with my regular forums:
Image
Source: http://www.hybridcars.com the dashboard reports


What I've seen over the last few months there is still no new EV vehicle I would purchase other a i3s which I hope to test drive soon. It has been over 2 years since I've had a test drive of an i3 so I'm hoping the latest i3s is a good upgrade. I'm not sure on a rex as it needs servicing and we own a 220i convertible for any long trips and had a trailer hitch installed.

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Re: i3 is over

Wed May 02, 2018 1:54 pm

IMHO, for running around locally, the i3 is a great car...I live fairly close to most things: shopping, friends, recreation, doctors, etc. My ICE doesn't get used often. IF it weren't paid for, I'd consider just renting something else when I needed longer distances, but the convenience of having the immediate choice is nice. Since most of my local travel would barely get the ICE warmed up if that, especially in the winter, and I can easily precondition the cabin before I go on the i3, throwing in the efficiency, it seemed like a no-brainer to get one. It gets driven most of the time.
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Re: i3 is over

Fri May 25, 2018 3:40 pm

Worldwide demand for the i3 seems to be increasing, not decreasing. Beginning in August, the i3 production rate will increase by 54% to 200/day. It certainly doesn't seem like the "i3 is over".
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Re: i3 is over

Sun May 27, 2018 3:55 am

I paid around £33k for my i3 with options included. I was waiting eagerly for the iPace specs and data. They phoned me at launch and said "it starts at £63k". I said, "good luck with that" and put the phone down! :shock:

Whilst I could in no way be described as poor, for many people (myself included), £63k is just way too much to justify to spend on a car and that's the base model. So I don't agree that the i3 is done in by cars such as this. In fact, I would seriously consider a 120ah model if it came out.

Would I spend £30k on another manufacturer's long range EV? Maybe, but it would have to be pretty good as well as long range to prise the i3 keys from my hands.

My only long term regret is the door arrangements. I can live with most things but there have been times when it's a right PITA :roll:

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Re: i3 is over

Sun May 27, 2018 8:21 am

When my 330e lease is up 2 years from now, I'll look for a 2017 BEV i3 to purchase. It would be an in-town, only, car and the 2017 battery size is adequate for my needs. I highly value the dedicated electric-only platform and the CF structure appears to be one of the safest "cages" around. I also value that the only ferrous (read rustable) parts are two rear suspension arms. Having owned (didn't lease--stupid me) a 2014 REX, I know I don't want another REX. In my 3 years of ownership, it and it's systems were the cause of 6 warranty visits, it uses resistance cabin heaters rather than a heat pump, and, apart from a cabin air filter and 2 yr brake fluid, was the only component serviced in the annual services. The only time the REX ran was on the periodic automatic maintenance runs. The ride is way too like an unsprung coal cart on Houston's potholed near-town streets and my wife's complaints about this was the primary reason I sold it. But, she has an X5 40e now and I'll probably replace it with another, or a PHEV with 30+ electric miles range, and that'll be enough to make it our go-to car. The i3 would be for me and the short hauls I make to the tune of some 2500 miles per yr. I suspect it'll be zero maintenance (forget the annual cabin air filter replacement) and last until I don't need another car. My wife's next PHEV lease will take us to 2023 and I'm sure it's replacement will be BEV. There should be enough hi-speed charging infrastructure by then and I expect we'll have solid state batteries then. My assumption on this is that I'll be able to purchase a 3 yr old 2017 BEV i3 for around $15K at that time. If it's more than that, I'll probably lease the golf-size VW BEV as I would expect that the cost of a 3-yr lease would be less than $15K at that time. The difficulty with that is that BEV i3's are thin on the ground around here--my dealer says "special-order only". I can see them on e-bay motors, but they aren't around my part of the USA. I might get a REX, if the price is right, and just do the oil and brake fluid every 2 years. I'm thinking that the 2017 i3's are going to be in the $15K range in 2020 because of competition from a lot of newer BEV's in this size in the $35K retail price range with electric ranges at or over 200 mi. A 120 mi i3 will be an outlier for a lot of people, even though it's probably perfect for most users.
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