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F10M5

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Newbie question but I couldn't find the answer. We have a 240 vac plug in our garage. When I picked up my i3 last night, I was surprised it only comes with a 120 plug. I was even more surprised to learn I can't charge the car completely overnight. No way I want to spend an add'l $1000 on BMW's charger. Isn't there a way to get a 240 v unit to plug directly into the wall and the other end into the car? Is the TurboCod what I want? Will that completely charge the car overnight? They are claiming about 6 hours which would be fine. Is there something else I should get?

Thanks for any help!
 
The i3 comes in the USA with what is called an occasional use level 1 EVSE. From empty, it could take up to 20-hours to recharge the i3 with it (the one sold in Europe is a small level 2 unit running on their local supply of 220vac so even at the same amperage, because the voltage is double, the power going in is doubled). Now, if you do not empty the battery in your normal day-to-day use, it might serve as all you need.

There are LOTS of other EVSE's you can purchase. If you want to use the existing 240vac plug, depending on which receptacle it uses and how big of a circuit breaker powers it, would dictate which one you needed, assuming you don't want to install a new dedicated service for the car. To recharge the car at it's fastest EVSE input, you need one running at 240vac and 30A minimum (more would work, but the car won't use it). The car can take up to 7.4Kw/hr into it, and power = volts*amps.

Lots of choices, some plug-in that can get you that full capability, depending on the supply. I opted for a Clipper Creek wired unit, but they also make some plug-in versions. These are entirely made in the USA, which, to me was a plus. There is no need to buy BMW's EVSE unless you like the style or they give you are really big discount - most others are less expensive, and in some cases LOTS less expensive. Basically, the things are generic - all you need is one specified for J1772 use, the plug and signaling protocol the i3 uses.
 
Maybe USA regulations are more relaxed than here in the UK but I understand an EVSE should have ground fault detection and an isolating contacter to ensure that the car end plug cannot be live until plugged into the car and the proper protocol established. I don't see how that could be squeezed into such a small box.

But, yes, according to their spec. it should do what you want.
 
I called PowerCord and apparently my outlet will not work even though it was literally put in about 5 months ago when we renovated our house. I tried to post a picture of it but couldn't get it done. Basically it's a 5 prong outlet with an L shape at the top, 2 vertical slats on the sides, a circle in the middle and a upside down "U" at the bottom. PowerCord is telling me I would have to get everything re-wired to use their cord. This seems crazy to me since it's brand new. Any suggestions?
 
F10M5 said:
I called PowerCord and apparently my outlet will not work even though it was literally put in about 5 months ago when we renovated our house. I tried to post a picture of it but couldn't get it done. Basically it's a 5 prong outlet with an L shape at the top, 2 vertical slats on the sides, a circle in the middle and a upside down "U" at the bottom. PowerCord is telling me I would have to get everything re-wired to use their cord. This seems crazy to me since it's brand new. Any suggestions?


Looks like you have a NEMA 14-30, a.k.a. dryer plug. It is a 30 amp outlet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector
 
Blue20 said:
F10M5 said:
I called PowerCord and apparently my outlet will not work even though it was literally put in about 5 months ago when we renovated our house. I tried to post a picture of it but couldn't get it done. Basically it's a 5 prong outlet with an L shape at the top, 2 vertical slats on the sides, a circle in the middle and a upside down "U" at the bottom. PowerCord is telling me I would have to get everything re-wired to use their cord. This seems crazy to me since it's brand new. Any suggestions?


Looks like you have a NEMA 14-30, a.k.a. dryer plug. It is a 30 amp outlet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEMA_connector

Yes, that's what it looks like. Here's the link to one that looks the same as well. So what type of 240v charger can I get that simply plugs in? I live in Boulder.

https://www.google.com/search?q=240+volt+outlet&espv=2&biw=1920&bih=947&site=webhp&tbm=isch&imgil=l_1pX1y0J3iEbM%253A%253B7UuJ3_wdVs_PRM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.diyadvice.com%25252Fdiy%25252Felectrical%25252Fswitches-receptacles%25252Freceptacle%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=l_1pX1y0J3iEbM%253A%252C7UuJ3_wdVs_PRM%252C_&usg=__76eFLZd30pon_hU__ueaP7_w430%3D&ved=0CCkQyjc&ei=cTE1VbGJN4ixggS1vYGgDQ#imgrc=l_1pX1y0J3iEbM%253A%3B7UuJ3_wdVs_PRM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fimages.meredith.com%252Fdiy%252Fimages%252F2009%252F03%252Fp_SCW_104_06.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.diyadvice.com%252Fdiy%252Felectrical%252Fswitches-receptacles%252Freceptacle%252F%3B360%3B480
 
First, what size breaker is used to power that outlet? All you need for the EVSE (at least in the USA) is three wires going to it: hot/hot/ground. THe EVSE has all of the GFCI protection built into it that is required, and the breaker protects things from overcurrent.

Because of the way the USA electrical codes work, to get a 32A constant use output, you need at least a 40A circuit to account for the 80% rule (or multiply by 1.25). Since there are NO 40A rated plugs, if you want to plug on in, it needs a 50A plug and the associated wiring. If you decide to hardwire the unit, you can get by with a 40A circuit, which may be the easiest thing to do. Just buy a new cover plate for the box, a hard-wired EVSE, and run its pigtail into the existing box, slap on the new blank cover plate. Hardwiring it would require at least 8g wire and a 40A breaker, minimum.

If you have a 30A circuit, the biggest EVSE you could use is one that was 30 * 0.8 = 24A one, and you would not get the fastest charging time of the i3.
 
Add your location to your profile, it helps others help you out.

I'm just outside of Boulder. You can buy any one of dozens of EVSE's (maybe not quite dozens, but there are many choices) that can plug into that outlet. You are probably limited to 20 AMP chargers with that plug, which will charge your car in ~4.5-5 hours from completely empty (the charging rate is non-linear).

Here are a couple of links:
http://www.clippercreek.com/store/product/lcs-20p-15-amp-ev-charging-station-22-ft-cable-nema-14-30-with-holster/
http://shop.quickchargepower.com/JESLA-is-THE-40-amp-J1772-portable-charging-solution-JESLA.htm

Jeff
 
Jeffj said:
Add your location to your profile, it helps others help you out.

I'm just outside of Boulder. You can buy any one of dozens of EVSE's (maybe not quite dozens, but there are many choices) that can plug into that outlet. You are probably limited to 20 AMP chargers with that plug, which will charge your car in ~4.5-5 hours from completely empty (the charging rate is non-linear).

Here are a couple of links:
http://www.clippercreek.com/store/product/lcs-20p-15-amp-ev-charging-station-22-ft-cable-nema-14-30-with-holster/
http://shop.quickchargepower.com/JESLA-is-THE-40-amp-J1772-portable-charging-solution-JESLA.htm

Jeff

Thank you for your reply. Do you know if these will work with my outlet?
 
The Clipper Creek link was directly to a product page for a NEMA 14-30 plug EVSE.

Here is a link with a good overview.
http://www.plugincars.com/quick-guide-buying-your-first-home-ev-charger-126875.html
 
I'll put in a plug (ok, pun intended) for a company local to me

JuiceBox by Electric Motor Werks

Picked mine up right from their shop. Multiple sizess adn types
Good guys
 
Went with Clipper Creek. Much easier to deal with than PowerCord who told me to hire an electrician, do a bunch of wiring etc. By the end, I think that would have cost more than the car! Clipper Creek was easy to deal with and had the plug configurations I needed. Thanks for everyone's help. Truly appreciated!
 
I'm glad you got it worked out. Clipper creek is a quality unit, and they have been around quite some time.

The JESLA that was linked earlier is one of our products (and we are advertisers on this forum). It is the only J1772 charge stations that will plug into almost anything, and in addition, it will automatically adjust to the correct voltage / amperage based on which plug you use. No other J1772 charge station can do this.

JELSA ships with NEMA 14-50 and NEMA 5-15 plugs, a padlock, plus a carrying bag. Additionally, you may want to buy the correct plug for your dryer (handy for visiting friends or relatives at their house) or for motel air conditioners:

...............................................VOLTS / AMPS.......kW
NEMA 5-15* ......Standard Outlet.. 120 V / 12 A...... 1.4 kW
NEMA 5-20 ...... Motel A/C .......... 120 V / 16A....... 1.9 kW
NEMA 10-30......Older Dryers........ 240 V / 24 A...... 5.8 kW
NEMA 14-30......Newer Dryers...... 240 V / 24 A...... 5.8 kW
NEMA 14-50*.....RV Parks ........... 240 V / 40 A...... 9.6 kW

*included plugs
 
I would get a Nema 14-50 receptacle ($30 at Home Depot) to replace your dryer outlet (unless you need it for that) and get an EVSE with a Nema 14-50 plug. It goes up to 40amps and works at a thousand RV parks around the U.S. They are everywhere. Put that EVSE in your trunk and you have a portable L2 charger.
 
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