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Re: What are you getting after your i3?

Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:11 am

stumbledotcom wrote:BMW teased its product roadmap in 2015. Over the next decade, the mainstream models will move to plug-in hybrid architectures, similar conceptually to the i8, as standard equipment. We’re already seeing off-shoots such as the X5 xDrive40e on sale now and the 330e officially revealed at the LA Auto show in November. I suspect BEVs will remain restricted to specialty roles, as in the i3’s city car design.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-c ... revolution

Management has stated repeatedly that the BMW i. sub-brand’s role is innovation. Proving technologies that can migrate to the main brand. Today that means eDrive, CFRP structures, and environmentally responsible yet profitable low-volume, series production methods. I think each future i vehicle will push into new territory. The BMW-Toyota technical sharing agreement could be seen as foreshadowing a hydrogen fuel-cell solution for the rumored i5, for example.
The February issue of Car Magazine in the UK speculates that the next i model will be a crossover dubbed the i6.

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/spy-shots/ ... uary-2016/

► It's the next i car, slotting betwixt i3 and i8
► 300-mile range is the goal for BMW

BMW is closing in on an all-new ‘i’ model, an electric i6 crossover to be big brother to the i3 city car. Scheduled for mid-2020, the i6 was the star attraction at BMW’s long-term corporate planning meeting (nicknamed LUP), the week before Christmas.

Chaired by CEO Harald Krüger, his r&d and design chiefs Klaus Fröhlich and Adrian van Hooydonk, the planning team mulled early prototypes and full-size clay models, including the i6. The latest i concept is said to resemble the DS5, the handsome five-door crossover from Citroën’s wannabe premium brand. The BMW’s shape is classic monospace, all extended roofline and streamlined frontal area, in a bid to reduce drag to maximise range. The i6 is a little longer than a DS5, more in the 3-series saloon bracket.

Krüger wants BMW to be the leading premium brand in a digitised automotive world. So the Bavarian think tank is working 24/7 on high-tech kit, including the latest connectivity features, iDrive gen6, more efficient batteries (here, a cooperation with Mercedes is increasingly likely) and a third new architecture, this time for bespoke electric vehicles.

In addition to the new front-drive and rear-drive component sets, the FSAR architecture features a flat floor above a sandwich section to be filled with batteries. It’s conceived as a modular platform, allowing it to stretch or shrink, the latter to potentially include a new Mini ‘superhero’.

The r&d crew has been considering all kinds of power sources: pure battery electric vehicle (BEV), hybrid, fuel cell. But according to the Munich grapevine FSAR’s primary goal is to give birth to a class-leading electric car. Not a high-floor SUV like the Audi Q6 or Jaguar BEV, nor a low sporty coupe like the Porsche Mission E either, with its ‘topographic’ floor creating footwell recesses between battery packs. To reach 60,000 units a year – significantly more than the carbonfibre i3, for superior economies of scale – i6 will likely boast a more varied material mix, but still with decent carbon content.

BMW’s drivetrain targets are fluid, given the relentless progress expected between now and 2020 in the field of e-motors, batteries, charging systems and performance electronics. The bosses are said to favour a new lithium-polymer battery, which is reportedly capable of tripling the energy capacity to about 500kWh, while cutting costs in half. This technology, which is supported by key suppliers like Bosch, reduces the weight of the battery pack required for a real-world driving range of 300 miles from 600 to 200kg. Power would be transmitted to the road by either two or four electric motors: that’s still to be determined, as is peak output, charging time and the oh-so-critical range.

Use of lithium-polymer batteries could triple energy capacity to 500kWh, cut costs and reduce weight to such an extent that a 300-mile range looks achievable

It's no Audi Q6 e-tron rival, BMW wants it to be a proper five-door family car. It’s not an SUV so it’s unlike Audi’s Q6 E-tron or Jaguar’s E-Pace, and it’s no sports car either, so forget Porsche’s Mission E. BMW wants i6 to be a proper five-door family car, DS5-style

If production car gets big round fogs, they’ll remind us of BMW’s iconic small-car brand. That may be apposite, as the i6 platform could be shrunk down to create a radical future Mini

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Re: What are you getting after your i3?

Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:15 am

My last two cars I have leased for three years. I do this because technology advances significantly in a three year period, I can stay within the low mileage (10k) restrictions, and the car is under warranty the entire term of the lease.

In 2012 I leased a Volt for 3 years. 34 mile EV range with a gas engine so you could go anywhere. Great car which demonstrated that a pure EV would meet 95% of my driving needs.

When the Volt lease was up technology had progressed so that I could get an EV with an 81 mile range, a 2014 i3 BEV. Best part was my lease payments stayed almost exactly the same. The i3 is the most fuel efficient EV available. Even with gas under $1.70 a gallon locally there are no gas or hybrid cars that come anywhere close to the cost to operate an i3 (using TOD rates).

I expect that by 2018 my next EV will have at least a 150-200 mile range. If BMW offers a model similar in size and construction to the current i3 that will be my first choice. However, if they ever offered a lease special on an i8 I could be swayed to being impractical.

When I think back to my first EV, a 1976 Citicar with a top speed of 38 mph, I realize just how far EVs have come. After that came a 2000 Honda Insight hybrid, a 2006 Dynasty IT NEV, and a 2008 Zenn NEV.

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Re: What are you getting after your i3?

Tue Jan 26, 2016 4:56 pm

Since I've only had my car since 15 December, I would like to enjoy it for a while until I consider. Modern problems, I know. I'm happy to give a company my money again if it suits my needs and the ownership experience is good. I will say that, so far, BMW has been right. Even day-to-day doing what I want, I'm the "average person that drives under xxx miles per day" that's been referenced so often.
I'm sure technology will have advanced significantly when my 3 years is up. Tesla income bracket aside (and even then, nothing about many 4-door-saloon-with-trunk moves me very much though they are really interesting vehicles), I will say that I hadn't seen anything that I ever wanted quite as much in the EV segment as the i3.

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Re: What are you getting after your i3?

Wed Jan 27, 2016 11:18 am

My thought is to go directly against type and get a giant SUV of some sort, or perhaps a four door pickup.

I've followed this up and down a few times in the past. Big Benz to a GTI, later from an X5 to my i3.

Variety is the spice of life and all that.
2011 X5 35d (retired)
2011 Z4 35iS (retired, one yellow, one white)
2014 i3 REX

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